Re: If you tell me why (at 49) she was "very proud" to have been a Goldwater Girl.

Post #408,473 by rcareaga 2/29/16 4:58:22 PM 2/29/16 4:58:22 PM Reply	Re: If you tell me why (at 49) she was "very proud" to have been a Goldwater Girl. Neither of us know the answer to that question. I think it unlikely that at 49 she meant that she remained unwavering in support of the GOP 1964 platform: what possible political advantage could have accrued to this cunning Machiavellian shrew by making such a statement. Absent any more context than you have thus far provided, I might guess that she took pride at having been politically engaged in that period, and was artless in the phrasing. Because your explanation does not account for her political and cultural trajectory between 1964 and now. Why did Hillary Rodham look and speak like this and not like this? Really, mmoffitt, this is a rather dodgy approach for you to take: it isn't necessary to admire Clinton in order to find ludicrous your notion that she's been an unrepentant Goldwaterite all these years (or a kind of Manchurian candidate biding her time until, attaining supreme power by deceit, she can at last enact Phyllis Schlafly's agenda from A Choice Not an Echo). You begin to sound a little unhinged on the subject, rather like your True Believer counterparts on the right who believe that Kenyan-born Obama was groomed from conception, beginning with phony birth notices planted in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin in 1961, to place this country under the yoke of Marxist Sharia law. cordially,
Post #408,477 by mmoffitt 2/29/16 7:41:38 PM 2/29/16 7:41:38 PM Reply	I'm sorry, I sound like that by quoting her? There is no context, absolutely NONE, in which the statement, "I am very proud to have been a Goldwater Girl" can be acceptable. If, 20 years hence, David Duke were to change his stripes slightly and support the policies of say, Kasich, would you forgive him for saying, "I am very proud to have been a member of the KKK?" For me, being "very proud to have been a Goldwater supporter" and/or "very proud of Kissinger's blessing" is indistinguishable from being "very proud of having been a KKK member." The positions are equally repugnant and very, very anti-Democratic.
Post #408,482 by Another Scott 2/29/16 8:33:03 PM 2/29/16 8:33:03 PM Reply	See above for the full transcript.
Post #408,484 by rcareaga 2/29/16 10:33:08 PM 2/29/16 10:33:08 PM Reply	sorry, don't you see? There can be no possible extenuating context for the vilest pronouncement ever made by a public figure in the United States since World War II. I mean, sheesh, I'm not terribly invested in the woman's political fortunes at the moment except insofar as wishing for her to go into the general election in as strong a position as possible if it should fall out that she becomes the Democratic nominee, so I'm not going to keep going back and forth with mmoffitt on this, but it's a subject on which he's rapidly becoming nutso. cordially,
Post #408,490 by pwhysall 3/1/16 1:40:20 AM 3/1/16 1:40:20 AM Reply	Re: sorry, don't you see? the vilest pronouncement ever made by a public figure in the United States since World War II. It's this sort of hyperbowl that makes you sound, well, a bit frothy.
Post #408,494 by malraux 3/1/16 8:34:55 AM 3/1/16 8:34:55 AM Reply	... Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #408,498 by boxley 3/1/16 11:26:42 AM 3/1/16 11:26:42 AM Reply	thats just spray from the churning always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #408,500 by Ashton 3/1/16 2:47:26 PM 3/1/16 2:47:26 PM Reply	You made your [Referent-perp] uncertain. here? Was that intentional or a preterite kinda gotcha..? As to--merely--the sobriquet vilest [!] in this characterization of someone's utterance: well ... within the mega-liters of bile ever heard since tykehood, then selected for their Vileness Quotient, I daresay that I've heard stuff too stomach churning ever to repeat, even against a one's historical Enemy/of serious kind. I also wonder if anyone here has ever read through.. Goldwater's [Heh: the precursor of Auric Goldfinger] The Conscience of a Conservative? (I know that I fled from any curiosity of its steamy content, in those times. And still. Carrion ..it's simmering in the cast-iron cauldron that was once Scalia's blood-pump (just a w.a.g. natch, that whole cavity may have been just ... empty.) But did Anton-babe ever reach the pinnacle of Vile?
Post #408,502 by rcareaga 3/1/16 3:31:33 PM 3/1/16 3:31:33 PM Reply	Re: You made your [Referent-perp] uncertain... I was phrasing for garish effect, and obviously to his disadvantage, mmoffitt's characterization of Mrs. C's "Goldwater girl" remark. He probably doesn't think of it in terms quite so dire, but he appears fixated upon it, and has blown a statement that many might think of negligible importance into something the size of a stratocumulus, and about as solid. cordially,
Post #408,504 by Ashton 3/1/16 4:00:44 PM 3/1/16 4:00:44 PM Reply	Yes that was my take. But it seemed that Peter had er, directed his casuistry at the Messenger (you) and not at the perp appropriate to this thread. (Alas, for being as hyperbolic too at times) ..as anyone who got a sign wrong in an expression he thought parabolic?--Oh! those conic sections--hyperbolas surround us. Methinks that we dwell within a world quite more hyper- than not, since the very prefix forces us to contemplate 1/0 and other math simulations of our plight. aka We still haven't the Foggiest 'where' dwells our so-called Consciousness (or I have entirely missed the awarding of that Nobel.) Hillary doesn't know, either.
Post #408,506 by pwhysall 3/2/16 12:10:54 AM 3/2/16 12:10:54 AM Reply	Indeed. Was posted before coffee. Apols.
Post #408,507 by rcareaga 3/2/16 1:11:53 AM 3/2/16 1:11:53 AM Reply	De nada The thread had become somewhat convolute. The spousette speaks of an attorney she's worked with who reduces hostile witnesses to stammering imbecility by such means: "Isn't it true that you would never have failed to neglect this elementary precaution had you not denied to my client that your assurances were not in fact to be doubted unless, etc., etc." Where was I? cordially,
Post #408,508 by Another Scott 3/2/16 8:40:34 AM 3/2/16 8:40:34 AM Reply	Oooh. That's evil. :-)
Post #408,511 by rcareaga 3/2/16 10:17:05 AM 3/2/16 10:17:05 AM Reply	And when the witness attempted his halting response "Answer the question! Yes or no?" adversarially,
Post #408,518 by boxley 3/2/16 1:29:09 PM 3/2/16 1:29:35 PM Reply	"two sugars with cream please" would be my answer of course I has been expert witness always look out for number one and don't step in number two Edited by boxley March 2, 2016, 01:29:35 PM EST Expand All History
Post #408,509 by mmoffitt 3/2/16 8:48:37 AM 3/2/16 8:48:37 AM Reply	Thanks. No, he doesn't. Bernie not winning Massachusetts is telling. Looks like the oligarchy is here to stay. Pity. Trump will get my vote if nominated. Otherwise I'll sit it out and buy a big bag of popcorn for the next four years while taking some solace in the knowledge that it will all collapse of its own weight eventually.
Post #408,515 by Another Scott 3/2/16 11:28:56 AM 3/2/16 11:28:56 AM Reply	Make sure you let your daughter know that you're Ok with Trump replacing RBG. :-/
Post #408,523 by mmoffitt 3/2/16 3:38:28 PM 3/2/16 3:38:28 PM Reply	Heh. I'm not "okay" with Hillary doing that.
Post #408,532 by Another Scott 3/2/16 10:02:22 PM 3/2/16 10:02:22 PM Reply	Yeah, but what does your daughter think.
Post #408,538 by mmoffitt 3/3/16 8:40:14 AM 3/3/16 8:40:14 AM Reply	I'll ask. But, ... the one that started out as a Hillary supporter has stopped being one. She repeated some half-truths and lies to me that Hillary's Kampf had published. When I pointed her to references refuting those claims, she said, "Damn. If she's got to lie when she's the overwhelming favorite, she'll lie about everything all the time." She's also not thrilled about her making $450,000.00/hour talking to banksters and then not letting us know what she said behind closed doors. I think Hillary's pretty much made her give up on her government, so it will be interesting to see if she has an opinion on the Supreme Court appointments. I'll try to catch her tonight to ask.
Post #408,540 by Another Scott 3/3/16 8:45:39 AM 3/3/16 8:45:39 AM Reply	Thanks for indulging me. :-) They all have issues - yes, even Bernie. Politicians have to balance interests - it's the nature of the job. Cheers, Scott.
Post #408,543 by boxley 3/3/16 10:44:02 AM 3/3/16 10:44:02 AM Reply	she doesnt balance, she charges :-) always look out for number one and don't step in number two
Post #408,526 by boxley 3/2/16 5:25:53 PM 3/2/16 5:25:53 PM Reply	Actually I think he would produce a better pick than hillary He would pick a judge, she would open it up to the highest bidder. always look out for number one and don't step in number two

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