I agree it's not an easy issue.

But, this sounds idiotic to me.

ACLU lawyer John Knight said the complaint against the school district was filed two years ago, noting the student then had to dress for gym in a restroom. Knight said that when in the girl's locker room, his client is required to use a privacy curtain, which is not required for other girls and shames her.

Knight contends the district's position stems not from any issues raised by other students, but from "speculation" by the district's administration. He added that District 211's insistence on separating the student from other girls "is blatant discrimination."

"Rather than approaching this issue with sensitivity and dignity, the district has attempted to justify its conduct by challenging my client's identity as a girl," he said.

Cates contended that the "students in our schools are teenagers, not adults, and one's gender is not the same as one's anatomy."

http://abc13.com/education/school-given-30-days-to-allow-transgender-student-locker-room-use/1066056/
So, the school district allowed the student to use the girl's locker room, but installed privacy curtains for him-her to use when disrobing and any other girl to use if they so chose. But, this was a violation of civil rights? It "shamed" the student because the one student with a penis had to disrobe behind a curtain, notwithstanding the fact that at least some of the rest of the girls (sans penis, naturally) used those privacy curtains as well? Aside: I'm kind of surprised the girl's locker room didn't already have privacy curtains - my high school did some 40 years ago.

Finally, just so I'm clear, the sex of an individual cannot be determined by observing the sex organs of the individual nor their chromosomal pairing? If that's where we are, I need to stop by the store on the way home and pick up a case of Brawndo.

Post #405,902 by mmoffitt 11/3/15 3:12:43 PM Reply	I agree it's not an easy issue. But, this sounds idiotic to me. ACLU lawyer John Knight said the complaint against the school district was filed two years ago, noting the student then had to dress for gym in a restroom. Knight said that when in the girl's locker room, his client is required to use a privacy curtain, which is not required for other girls and shames her. Knight contends the district's position stems not from any issues raised by other students, but from "speculation" by the district's administration. He added that District 211's insistence on separating the student from other girls "is blatant discrimination." "Rather than approaching this issue with sensitivity and dignity, the district has attempted to justify its conduct by challenging my client's identity as a girl," he said. Cates contended that the "students in our schools are teenagers, not adults, and one's gender is not the same as one's anatomy." http://abc13.com/education/school-given-30-days-to-allow-transgender-student-locker-room-use/1066056/ So, the school district allowed the student to use the girl's locker room, but installed privacy curtains for him-her to use when disrobing and any other girl to use if they so chose. But, this was a violation of civil rights? It "shamed" the student because the one student with a penis had to disrobe behind a curtain, notwithstanding the fact that at least some of the rest of the girls (sans penis, naturally) used those privacy curtains as well? Aside: I'm kind of surprised the girl's locker room didn't already have privacy curtains - my high school did some 40 years ago. Finally, just so I'm clear, the sex of an individual cannot be determined by observing the sex organs of the individual nor their chromosomal pairing? If that's where we are, I need to stop by the store on the way home and pick up a case of Brawndo.
Post #405,908 by boxley 11/3/15 5:07:08 PM Reply	stop by the store, sex is brain not body parts you can kill people for America at age 18 but need to be 21 to buy a beer
Post #405,926 by mmoffitt 11/4/15 8:32:55 AM Reply	Bzzzt. It's chromosomal.
Post #418,523 by CRConrad 6/13/17 4:58:27 AM 6/13/17 4:58:27 AM Reply	Bzzzt yourself: "Sex" may be chromosomal, but "gender" is in the brain. If I've understood ~~rec~~current usage correctly. Come the fuck on, get with the times: This stuff originates from the USA, so how come you're so much less up-to-date than a furriner like me? Try not to be so much of a caricature of a Bible-thumping fundamentalist (AKA Taliban of the Western World). -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #418,527 by mmoffitt 6/13/17 8:47:37 AM 6/13/17 8:47:37 AM Reply	Bible thumping? Now that Chris Hitchens is dead, you'd be hard pressed to find a more anti-religionist than moi. I seriously do not know what you're arguing about with me. Bill writes, "sex is brain not body parts" and I respond "sex is chromosomal" to which you respond with "stop being a bible thumper, sex may be chromosomal." Whatsamatta, ferriners have trouble holding a thought? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.

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