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New Re: Serious question.
(Also: take into account the "edit" notation below.)
"This decision makes me extremely happy -- because of what it means for me, personally, and for countless others," the student said. "The district's policy stigmatized me, often making me feel like I was not a 'normal person.'"
While I'm inclined to think that normality is overrated (as mmoffitt is fond of reminding us, people who prefer same-gender sexual partners probably represent well under ten percent of the population and are accordingly not "normal," but so what?), it seems to me incontestably true that an XY teenager self-identifying as female is an exceptional case and accordingly also not normal. Of course, Stephen Hawking as a particularly brilliant physicist who has survived with ALS for several decades longer than most sufferers also fails to meet the normality standard—but I digress.

To address the question, the teenage girls are certainly entitled to input on the issue of shower entry, and I presume that this was provided on their behalf in the course of the court proceedings, to which I was not privy. This is not an easy or simple issue, or we would not be reading about it. I presume—and bear with me here, because I wish only minimally to conflate the issues—that there were students in formerly all-white schools during the early years of government-mandated desegregation who were made extremely uncomfortable by the presence of swarthy schoolmates in their locker rooms. You will correctly observe, whether or not you personally think that desegregation by fiat was a good idea, that these policies were promulgated in response to a complex of social, political and economic issues that loomed very large in American public life, whereas the subset of oppressed transgender teens represents by comparison an infinitesimally minor segment of the population.

I am assuming here, as it may be you do not, that the individual on behalf of whom the suit was brought is sincere in the asserted female identification, and not an opportunistic young lecher looking to ogle the coeds.

The hard questions go to the courts. I think that people of good will would have recognized the ambiguities inherent in either outcome to this particular case. Certainly I don't have the answer.

cordially,

EDIT: After a less cursory reading of the source, I now realize that the determination that the transgender student was denied, et cetera, was made at the administrative/bureaucratic level, and does not proceed from a court decision. I daresay, accordingly, that the affronted modesties will go on to seek judicial relief. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Expand Edited by rcareaga Nov. 3, 2015, 02:32:49 PM EST
New Things have change in the years since we attended highschool
According to late practice, it is extremely rare for any young ladies to show communally. Usually they just wipe their pits, put on deodorant and wait to shower at home. Having ridden a bus filled with highschoolers it appears that many forego the facilities at home as well.

I suspect that a transperson would have some allies at a school that would be inclusive in their group. Any letch trying to scam would get a physical beating by the girls.

The only time I ever went into the girls bathroom in highschool was after being invited to do so.
you can kill people for America at age 18 but need to be 21 to buy a beer
New and therein hangs a tale, or a tail, no doubt
The only time I ever went into the girls bathroom in highschool was after being invited to do so.
New only place to get some privacy
you can kill people for America at age 18 but need to be 21 to buy a beer
New The converse case
I am not too worried about one XY girl in a locker room full of XX girls. As great-uncle to a transgender boy, I am more worried about the behavior of a locker room full of XY boys with one XX boy in their midst.
New Or a locker room full of XY boys and an XY girl
Because that's what you'd get if this decision when the other way.
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Drew
New "an XY girl" *BOGGLE*
New I agree it's not an easy issue.
But, this sounds idiotic to me.
ACLU lawyer John Knight said the complaint against the school district was filed two years ago, noting the student then had to dress for gym in a restroom. Knight said that when in the girl's locker room, his client is required to use a privacy curtain, which is not required for other girls and shames her.

Knight contends the district's position stems not from any issues raised by other students, but from "speculation" by the district's administration. He added that District 211's insistence on separating the student from other girls "is blatant discrimination."

"Rather than approaching this issue with sensitivity and dignity, the district has attempted to justify its conduct by challenging my client's identity as a girl," he said.

Cates contended that the "students in our schools are teenagers, not adults, and one's gender is not the same as one's anatomy."

http://abc13.com/education/school-given-30-days-to-allow-transgender-student-locker-room-use/1066056/
So, the school district allowed the student to use the girl's locker room, but installed privacy curtains for him-her to use when disrobing and any other girl to use if they so chose. But, this was a violation of civil rights? It "shamed" the student because the one student with a penis had to disrobe behind a curtain, notwithstanding the fact that at least some of the rest of the girls (sans penis, naturally) used those privacy curtains as well? Aside: I'm kind of surprised the girl's locker room didn't already have privacy curtains - my high school did some 40 years ago.

Finally, just so I'm clear, the sex of an individual cannot be determined by observing the sex organs of the individual nor their chromosomal pairing? If that's where we are, I need to stop by the store on the way home and pick up a case of Brawndo.
New stop by the store, sex is brain not body parts
you can kill people for America at age 18 but need to be 21 to buy a beer
New Bzzzt. It's chromosomal.
New Bzzzt yourself: "Sex" may be chromosomal, but "gender" is in the brain.
If I've understood reccurrent usage correctly.

Come the fuck on, get with the times: This stuff originates from the USA, so how come you're so much less up-to-date than a furriner like me?

Try not to be so much of a caricature of a Bible-thumping fundamentalist (AKA Taliban of the Western World).
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Christian R. Conrad
Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi

(Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
New Bible thumping?
Now that Chris Hitchens is dead, you'd be hard pressed to find a more anti-religionist than moi. I seriously do not know what you're arguing about with me. Bill writes, "sex is brain not body parts" and I respond "sex is chromosomal" to which you respond with "stop being a bible thumper, sex may be chromosomal." Whatsamatta, ferriners have trouble holding a thought?
bcnu,
Mikem

It's mourning in America again.
     if this meme catches on - (rcareaga) - (22)
         the distain you hold those folks in is criminal - (boxley)
         This is why people on the right think people on the left are soft in the head -NT - (gcareaga) - (19)
             and furthermore - (rcareaga)
             As does this. - (mmoffitt) - (17)
                 "Why didn't I think of this when I was in high school?" - (rcareaga) - (13)
                     Serious question. - (mmoffitt) - (12)
                         Re: Serious question. - (rcareaga) - (11)
                             Things have change in the years since we attended highschool - (boxley) - (2)
                                 and therein hangs a tale, or a tail, no doubt - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                     only place to get some privacy -NT - (boxley)
                             The converse case - (gcareaga) - (2)
                                 Or a locker room full of XY boys and an XY girl - (drook) - (1)
                                     "an XY girl" *BOGGLE* -NT - (mmoffitt)
                             I agree it's not an easy issue. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                 stop by the store, sex is brain not body parts -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                     Bzzzt. It's chromosomal. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         Bzzzt yourself: "Sex" may be chromosomal, but "gender" is in the brain. - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                             Bible thumping? - (mmoffitt)
                 Really? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     Where do you buy your Brawndo? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Same place I get my burrito coverings. -NT - (Another Scott)
         I no words. :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)

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