Yeah, not a nice world out there.

Post #405,538 by hnick 10/23/15 7:25:45 AM Reply	Yeah, not a nice world out there. Unless Bernie gets the nomination, voting for either R or D gets me gutted on the altar of Big Money. I am not going to vote for somebody who wants to gut me. Voting third party may be "throwing my vote away", but I will not be voting for somebody who wants to destroy me. I know you and AS can not understand that. I can't help that. Smarm on... "Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." ~ AMBROSE BIERCE (1842-1914)
Post #405,539 by Another Scott 10/23/15 7:58:09 AM Reply	Tell that to the Nader and Buchanan voters out there. http://www.niu.edu/newsplace/wh9.html There are clear recent examples when voting for the lesser evil gives a much better result than protest voting. Hang in there. Cheers, Scott.
Post #405,546 by mmoffitt 10/23/15 10:12:11 AM Reply	Sheesh. Not that old refrain. If Nader had not run, Al Gore would have won Florida and New Hampshire with Nader votes. Assumes facts not in evidence. There is absolutely no reason to think that any voter who voted for Nader would have voted at all if he had not run. Some people don't equate presidential races and horse races. Some people vote their conscience, not some of the time, but all of the time.
Post #405,549 by Another Scott 10/23/15 10:27:59 AM Reply	I voted for Nader in 2000. I would have voted if he hadn't been on the ballot. :-p
Post #405,550 by mmoffitt 10/23/15 10:34:19 AM Reply	OH! THAT'S why you gave me so much grief in 2008 for doing the same thing. As it turns out, my vote literally didn't count. But that doesn't change the fact that I would have not voted at all if I hadn't voted for Nader in 08. Most of the Naderites I came into contact with in 08 felt the same way.
Post #405,562 by Another Scott 10/23/15 1:31:44 PM Reply	Some of us learn from our mistakes, and want others not to make the same ones. ;-)
Post #405,563 by mmoffitt 10/23/15 1:33:56 PM Reply	Ha!
Post #405,544 by rcareaga 10/23/15 9:54:27 AM Reply	I take it, then ...that you were in a coma between 2001 and 2009, because the practical consequences of your kind of petulance remain vividly in the memories of those of us who didn't sleep through that tunnel of carnage. "I'm going to suffer economically no matter who becomes president, so I don't give a shit whether we kill x foreigners or 20x foreigners over the coming years." It's not about you.
Post #405,547 by mmoffitt 10/23/15 10:24:33 AM Reply	Oh, right. 2009 was so much better for foreigner (and Americans, too, because Justice said so).
Post #405,554 by pwhysall 10/23/15 11:15:37 AM Reply	Cherry-picking mode: ACTIVATE!
Post #405,555 by malraux 10/23/15 11:29:55 AM Reply	Form of... A BAR CHART! Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #405,557 by rcareaga 10/23/15 11:44:09 AM Reply	for your next barchart I'd like to see a depiction of the number of civilians killed by aerial bombardment conducted by German jet aircraft between 1939 and 1945, and by US jet aircraft between 2009 and 2015, which will demonstrate that Obama is the greatest war criminal in history, surpassing even the notorious A. Hitler. If you'd care to submit a passport-suitable photograph of yourself, I'll submit it to Merriam-Webster to go alongside the definition of "disingenuous" in some future edition. cordially,
Post #405,564 by mmoffitt 10/23/15 1:43:37 PM Reply	Hmmm. Time spans differing by 8 years is the same as time spans differing by 70. Yep, that sounds fair to me. Er, no, wait. You're showing me what disingenuous means, right? Are you saying that assassinations by drone did not increase with Obama? That the first and only Americans murdered with that technology did not occur during his presidency and at his direction? Not to mention the Americans we kill with those things by accident (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/23/the-u-s-keeps-killing-americans-in-drone-strikes-mostly-by-accident/) Or is it that none of this matters because REPUBLICANS!?
Post #405,572 by rcareaga 10/23/15 3:22:01 PM Reply	Yeah, it matters I'm saying that the number of furriners who will die by orders of the Hillabeast is likely to be significantly smaller than the number who will die if one of the GOP contenders takes the prize. But hey, don't let a little thing like that sully your moral purity, keed. "It is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless distinguishable, postwar environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed."
Post #405,573 by mmoffitt 10/23/15 3:33:39 PM Reply	I don't think the difference on that issue is as great as you seem to think. I'm saying that the number of furriners who will die by orders of the Hillabeast is likely to be significantly smaller than the number who will die if one of the GOP contenders takes the prize. Why do you think that? HRC's hawk credentials are well known. How did you arrive at the conclusion that more furriners will die if it's Trump and not Hillary?
Post #405,580 by Another Scott 10/23/15 7:21:09 PM Reply	Hillary was pushing for war with Iran? Like, say, Rubio? http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/politics/marco-rubio-iran-war/ Or how about Trump? http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/20/donald-trump-in-2007-we-have-to-strike-iran/ The Teabaggers can't wait to have another war. Hillary may be more hawkish than Obama, maybe, but she's not itching to get into a war the way the GOP is. Cheers, Scott.
Post #405,577 by hnick 10/23/15 6:10:21 PM Reply	You take it incorrectly. I voted for Obama both times, holding my nose the second. As such, I accept my responsibility for the bullshit Obama pulled on us. I do not wish to take responsibility for another pseudo-democrat. I don't agree with everything Bernie stands for but I do not consider him evil. Therefore he is not a lesser evil. I live with disagreement daily; np. In response to your smug assertions of disaster due to my "purity", I consider the condition of our country to be the fault of those who compromise with evil, claiming it could be worse. That would include you. We aren't going to agree. I'm done. "Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." ~ AMBROSE BIERCE (1842-1914)
Post #405,578 by rcareaga 10/23/15 6:21:33 PM Reply	Give my regards to the Lollipop Guild.

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