Here's how they caught them

Post #404,782 by malraux 9/22/15 2:11:40 PM Reply	Here's how they caught them http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/advanced-cars/how-professors-caught-vw-cheating?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IeeeSpectrum+%28IEEE+Spectrum%29 “Some people have mischaracterized what our role was,” says Dan Carder, interim director of the University of West Virginia’s Center for Alternative Fuels, Engines and Emissions (CAFEE). “Some have used the phrase ‘tipped off the EPA.’ But we were just working under contract.” The contracting organization, a European non-profit, had wanted to convince European regulators to emulate strict U.S. standards for diesel emissions of nitrous oxides (NOX). So it asked CAFEE engineers to gather data from the field. They rented VW diesels, measured their tailpipe emissions on the road and compared them to measurements on the same cars made in the lab. The discrepancies were huge. “We presented this in a public forum in San Diego, in the spring of 2014; we said, these are two vehicles; we’re presenting what we can present,” Carder says. “And EPA people were in the audience.” Meanwhile, the sponsoring group, called the International Council on Clean Transportation, published the results online as well. Ironic... "Here, let's emulate what the US is doing. Whoops." Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #404,788 by a6l6e6x 9/22/15 3:53:22 PM Reply	Good find! Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #404,792 by Ashton 9/22/15 4:35:36 PM Reply	What I cannot parse at all, though.. Is that--in the Century likely to be called the Age of the Hacker {Everywhere!}--these perps, none of whom could be thought to be 'stupid' in ordinary sense, imagined that the inevitable discrepancy never would be Noted ??? (And, well.. the elapsed time does tell us how close they were to ... gauging the actual Interest in follow-up-testing by ANY agency! worldwide) {{sigh}} Imagine trying for an algorithm, next: to fully assess the damage to humans and Other life-forms this scam has created: that there's some $$-Fine is handy, but what has been any sanely-calculable Real Damage as may be added-on and whose dimension may justify also Criminal Jail-time in the slammer ... in, say Libya? ..and it's such a predictably U.S. Bizness-grade scam, too! :-0
Post #404,805 by scoenye 9/22/15 8:41:59 PM Reply	Interesting reason On the two wheeled side, passing EPA regs usually means leaning things out until the motor does not run right anymore. (At one time, a certain US company's products were downright dangerous to ride because of it.) So the next question becomes, what happens to you if you forego the "fix"? The local inspection stations are likely not going to be able to pick that up unless the fixed cars are painted blaze orange. 50 state regs, so YMMV, but up here in the sticks, very unlikely. Lets see how many of these ever make it back to a dealership. (This has shades of an issue with Radio Shack scanners, back when cell phones first came out. The originals could pick up the [unencrypted] 800 MHz cell band. Units sent in for repair came back minus the upper end of their range.)
Post #404,816 by static 9/23/15 1:57:57 AM Reply	Maybe the EPA will update their tests, too. Maybe if they'd kept the tail-pipe measuring as well as the OBD connection VW's tinkering might've been caught earlier. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/

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