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Post #404,714 by lincoln 9/18/15 2:43:25 PM Reply	how would the software know when the car is undergoing emissions testing, compared to unusual activity during normal driving - jackrabbit starts, stomping on the gas to avoid a collision, slamming on the brakes to avoid a collision, etc? Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897
Post #404,715 by drook 9/18/15 2:53:05 PM Reply	It's plugged in Serious question: When is the last time you had an emissions test, and how old was the car? Anything sold since 1996 has had the connector. They just plug you in and run the test - no tailpipe sniffer any more. I'm sure the computer knows when something is plugged in. -- Drew
Post #404,723 by static 9/18/15 10:51:33 PM Reply	Found another article. VW aren't the only ones. Some manufacturers have their cars' ECU go into "emissions testing" mode when the non-driven set of wheels are stationary whilst it is apparently being driven. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #404,735 by lincoln 9/19/15 1:50:29 PM Reply	Re: It's plugged in Haven't been required to take an emissions test since I moved to the land of cowgirls over a decade ago. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897
Post #404,737 by hnick 9/19/15 2:10:06 PM Reply	Re: how would the software know Curiously enough, I spent a year and a half working on gadgets that plugged into OBDII ports and read trouble codes. The EPA tests are government mandated and and they are supposed to work in a specified manner so they are testable anywhere. The extra private test functions (eg. oil life remaining) are proprietary and can work any way the manufacturer wants. The OBDII protocol is polled; they can tell when it's plugged in to a tester. The conclusion is obvious. The germans have a LOT of proprietary tests and other functions. "Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." ~ AMBROSE BIERCE (1842-1914)

VW post 2008 diesels had "defeat device" software to avoid emissions scrutiny. - (Another Scott) - (56) - Sept. 18, 2015, 01:17:45 PM EDT

how would the software know - (lincoln) - (4) - Sept. 18, 2015, 02:43:25 PM EDT

It's plugged in - (drook) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2015, 02:53:05 PM EDT

Found another article. - (static) - Sept. 18, 2015, 10:51:33 PM EDT

Re: It's plugged in - (lincoln) - Sept. 19, 2015, 01:50:29 PM EDT

Re: how would the software know - (hnick) - Sept. 19, 2015, 02:10:06 PM EDT

Wonder who ratted that one out... - (scoenye) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2015, 09:50:32 PM EDT

Ouch. Seems the CARB had it figured out. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 18, 2015, 10:03:12 PM EDT

I heard a similar story even further back. - (static) - Sept. 18, 2015, 10:55:34 PM EDT

Reuters: VW could face $18B in fines. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 18, 2015, 09:58:55 PM EDT

Are diesels even a good idea? - (drook) - (2) - Sept. 19, 2015, 09:54:22 AM EDT

Rolling back - (scoenye) - Sept. 19, 2015, 10:26:23 AM EDT

TANSTAAFL. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 19, 2015, 10:32:48 AM EDT

years ago in alaska diesels were exempt from emissions testing - (boxley) - Sept. 20, 2015, 05:24:46 PM EDT

It's all OK now. The CEO said he's sorry! - (a6l6e6x) - (20) - Sept. 21, 2015, 09:25:21 AM EDT

As I read it, the $37,500 is per day of non-compliance, not per car. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Sept. 21, 2015, 10:30:05 AM EDT

Of course, the stories explicitly say per car, so ... :-/ - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 21, 2015, 11:52:57 AM EDT

Yah, what he said! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 21, 2015, 04:21:49 PM EDT

I think it's absurd to imagine that such a plan could possibly be implemented - (Ashton) - (15) - Sept. 21, 2015, 04:41:59 PM EDT

is it? - (boxley) - (14) - Sept. 22, 2015, 09:16:00 AM EDT

And is your "retired petro chemist" a Tea Party member? - (lincoln) - (5) - Sept. 22, 2015, 01:56:42 PM EDT

no, catholic liberal -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2015, 02:49:28 PM EDT

I've never met a liberal - (lincoln) - (3) - Sept. 25, 2015, 02:44:28 PM EDT

your loss -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 25, 2015, 03:19:19 PM EDT

You claim to be a "liberal" and yet support a Nixon created entity? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 28, 2015, 08:17:22 AM EDT

Hey, even crooks can do something good - (lincoln) - Sept. 28, 2015, 10:43:12 AM EDT

Doesn't smell right. - (Another Scott) - (7) - Sept. 22, 2015, 04:51:05 PM EDT

dunno about smell but sulpher burns hot, take it out harder to burn -NT - (boxley) - (6) - Sept. 22, 2015, 06:21:47 PM EDT

Not the way it works. - (Another Scott) - (5) - Sept. 22, 2015, 06:37:11 PM EDT

kinda makes my point, regulators make the cars run like crap, what the retired guy said -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2015, 07:11:57 PM EDT

Um, modern diesels are great compared to, say, a 1980 Rabbit diesel. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 22, 2015, 07:23:00 PM EDT

Burning point is no criterion for use in a Diesel engine - (scoenye) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2015, 09:09:52 PM EDT

Neat stuff. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 22, 2015, 09:32:52 PM EDT

very nice -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 22, 2015, 09:58:45 PM EDT

The CEO is really sorry now! - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 23, 2015, 11:07:07 AM EDT

The problem is world wide -- 11 M vehicles. - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 22, 2015, 09:25:44 AM EDT

I'm convinced there's a joke in there ... - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 22, 2015, 09:51:26 AM EDT

Here's how they caught them - (malraux) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2015, 02:11:40 PM EDT

Good find! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 22, 2015, 03:53:22 PM EDT

What I cannot parse at all, though.. - (Ashton) - Sept. 22, 2015, 04:35:36 PM EDT

Interesting reason - (scoenye) - Sept. 22, 2015, 08:41:59 PM EDT

Maybe the EPA will update their tests, too. - (static) - Sept. 23, 2015, 01:57:57 AM EDT

What I was thinking, in more detail - (drook) - (1) - Sept. 25, 2015, 01:24:57 PM EDT

one piece has been around a few years - (boxley) - Sept. 25, 2015, 02:09:59 PM EDT

We're gonna need a bigger probe - (scoenye) - (1) - Sept. 28, 2015, 09:53:58 PM EDT

Interesting. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Sept. 29, 2015, 12:47:30 AM EDT

Four more carmakers join emissions rigging list - (lincoln) - (5) - Oct. 12, 2015, 10:31:08 AM EDT

Not the same thing - (malraux) - (4) - Oct. 12, 2015, 12:04:36 PM EDT

Should it? - (drook) - (3) - Oct. 12, 2015, 01:25:32 PM EDT

Point being: - (malraux) - (2) - Oct. 12, 2015, 02:26:45 PM EDT

Your first two paragraphs, 100% agree, it's the third I question - (drook) - (1) - Oct. 12, 2015, 02:39:22 PM EDT

From what I remember, the test is that bad. - (malraux) - Oct. 12, 2015, 02:51:39 PM EDT

There, fixed. - (scoenye) - (4) - Oct. 28, 2015, 06:07:52 PM EDT

Interesting. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2015, 09:54:34 PM EDT

The test was going to change in 2017 - (scoenye) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2015, 10:44:17 PM EDT

Ah. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - Oct. 28, 2015, 11:40:36 PM EDT

BBC has you covered. - (a6l6e6x) - Oct. 29, 2015, 12:14:18 AM EDT

Impossible.
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