Post #404,007
8/13/15 12:26:48 PM
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In the wake of the Battle Flag issue, how many of you think other things should go?
Should we, as the NAACP suggests, remove the images of Jackson, Lee and Jefferson from Stone Mountain? Is the renaming of school buildings named after Confederate officers that's being done the right thing to do? Should all Confederate Monuments come down?
I'm asking because this idea seems to me hypocritical in the extreme. If you're going to make the [false] claim that all fallen Confederate soldiers "died for the cause of slavery" and that because of that, all memory of them should be erased, then anything named after Sherman, Grant, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Van Buren, Harrison, Tyler, Polk, Taylor, Johnson, etc. should most definitely go because that is a partial list of people who (unlike the overwhelming majority of Confederate War dead) actually owned slaves.
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Post #404,010
8/13/15 1:57:26 PM
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let them buy their own mountain and sculpt who they wish
that mountain was private land before the state bought it in 1958 and the sculptures were already there.
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Post #404,011
8/13/15 2:53:11 PM
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How about the Washington and Jefferson monuments in DC?
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Post #404,012
8/13/15 3:19:57 PM
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How about the Washington(freemason phallus) monuments in DC?
the big white dick? Don't care. Probably need to remove Abe's while we are at it. I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
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Post #404,024
8/13/15 8:13:48 PM
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The sculpture wasn't finished until 1972.
Stone Mountain Park: In 1958 the state of Georgia purchased the mountain and the surrounding land. The Georgia General Assembly created the Stone Mountain Memorial Association. In 1960 the Stone Mountain Confederate Memorial Advisory Committee was comprised of six internationally known figures in the world of art. A competition was held, and nine world-renowned sculptors submitted designs for a new sculpture.
In 1963, based upon recommendations by the Advisory Committee, the Stone Mountain Memorial Association chose Walker Kirkland Hancock of Gloucester, Massachusetts to complete the carving. Work resumed in 1964, and a new technique utilizing thermo-jet torches was used to carve away the granite. Chief carver Roy Faulkner, a marine veteran with a talent for using the new thermo-jet torch, was able to remove tons of stone in one day. For over eight years Park guests could see and hear the workmen and their jet torches.
The figures were completed with the detail of a fine painting. Eyebrows, fingers, buckles and even strands of hair were fine-carved with a small thermo-jet torch.
The carving is actually much larger than it appears from Stone Mountain Park's attractions. Workers could easily stand on a horse's ear or inside a horse's mouth to escape a sudden rain shower. A dedication ceremony for the Confederate Memorial Carving was held on May 9, 1970. Finishing touches to the masterpiece were completed in 1972. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #404,027
8/13/15 8:57:03 PM
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shrug, it was there before they bought it
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Post #404,029
8/13/15 9:53:59 PM
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"it" was just Lee's face, apparently.
According to my reading of the previous linky, anyway. I don't see how much the State paid to finish the carving, but it's clear that it wouldn't have been done without Georgia's protection and blessing of the site. AJC: Councilman Michael Julian Bond is behind a resolution asking Deal to form a committee to study possible changes to the famous state-owned memorial.
Bond, who described the relief of Confederate generals as “art,” said he doesn’t believe it should be sandblasted off the face of the mountain. Instead, state leaders should explore adding others to the carving who reflect Georgia’s broader history, he said, such as James Oglethorpe, President Jimmy Carter or Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
“That would make Stone Mountain, I think, an enlightened place that reflects all of Georgia’s history,” he said. “…Georgia’s history is much greater than the four years of the Confederacy; it’s much more diverse and rich than that period which has been highly romanticized, particularly in the last 50 to 60 years.”
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Just what should become of the carving that towers over pedestrians and cyclists at Stone Mountain has become the stuff of heated and satirical debate in the wake of South Carolina’s decision to remove the Confederate flag from statehouse grounds.
Last month, the council unanimously backed Councilman Andre Dickens’ resolution that urges state officials to remove the Confederate Battle Flag emblem and other Confederate symbols as an option for state license plates.
A spokeswoman for Mayor Kasim Reed said Reed hasn’t yet reviewed the legislation and has no comment at this time.
A spokesman for the governor said they could not comment because they have not reviewed the proposal. In late June, the governor said he won’t rule out comprehensive changes to state laws that protect Confederate images, but urged against sweeping reactions to those symbols amid the recent uproar over the emblems, saying the state “cannot deny its heritage.”
Bond also introduced legislation that asks Deal to give funds to GBI to investigate officer-involved shootings if racial biases are alleged. It passed unanimously. (Emphasis added.) It's all just yammering until they change those laws. When I was living in Cobb County as a kid, the thing that I recall everyone being so proud about Stone Mountain was the size of the rock itself, and the size of the carving. It wasn't the subject matter so much. (Yeah, kids loved telling stories about how tough the generals were, or how their family owned Cheatham Hill, etc., but there wasn't a religious reverence about them as there seems to be now. Or at least that's my recollection.) I like the idea of broadening the coverage of Georgia's history in the park, but it's not necessary to deface the rock even more IMHO. Yes, the symbolism matters, but doing the real work to put white male supremacy in the past matters much more. The decades and millions of dollars that it would take to change the rock could be much better spent elsewhere. My $0.02. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #404,031
8/14/15 7:36:58 AM
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OT: Speaking of really big things...
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Post #404,018
8/13/15 6:34:59 PM
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Assuming you're serious
Retire the battle flag. It was surrendered because they lost. If the local yokels want to fly it, fine; it makes it that much easier to identify the idiots. Monuments to great men who honorably supported their society, win or lose, should not be removed. They are part of history. It is good, if not imperative, to remember that "the other guys" are not all back street goobers. A good memory and respect for actions well done are necessary for OUR survival. That said, the ignorant, inbred, beer bellied, assault rifle toting, battle flag wrapped idiots down there now are not evocative of Jackson, Lee and Jefferson... to me anyway. I may be a little prejudiced in the same way Hitler was a little antisemitic...
"Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable." ~ AMBROSE BIERCE (1842-1914)
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Post #404,023
8/13/15 8:11:08 PM
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Nit.
Snopes: WHAT’S TRUE: An Atlanta NAACP leader said in an interview that the Civil War carving should be removed from Stone Mountain.
WHAT’S FALSE: The national NAACP organization is taking specific action to have the Civil War carving removed from Stone Mountain. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #404,035
8/14/15 10:53:48 AM
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Hmmm. Okay. "A leader of the Atlanta NAACP suggests" then.
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