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New Long read: Sy Hersh on the killing of OBL
Everything you know is wrong. Hersh's batting average over the years hasn't been perfect, but he makes it to home plate far oftener than he strikes out, and this one has the ring (or stink) of truth to it. Pretty much every detail in the administration's public accounts of the killing of Osama bin Laden, excepting the fact of his actual death that night, appears to have been fabricated to wring maximum political advantage from the feat. I shed no tears for the man, but the level of cynicism displayed by Obama and his team does rather take one's breath away. Well worth your ten or fifteen minutes.

cordially,
New isi knew he was there, whitehouse is never been slow on staking credit
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New Interesting. Hard to know how much to believe, though.
It's hard to feel sorry for any bad feelings by the Pakistani leadership. Gates's criticism sounds like more sour grapes - http://www.businessinsider.com/gates-panetta-iraq-syria-2014-9

Thanks for the pointer.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Apparently the Telegraph published the story in 2011.
See sharl and subsequent comments.

Has nothing to do with whether the story is true or not, of course.

FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New contra Hersh
Interesting. I wasn't aware that Hersh has been drifting these latter years into tinfoil hat territory. US "Special Forces" secretly controlled by Opus Dei? Oh, Sy... (can you see?)
Hersh's story is amazing to read, alleging a vast American-Pakistani conspiracy to stage the raid and even to fake high-level diplomatic incidents as a sort of cover. But his allegations are largely supported only by two sources, neither of whom has direct knowledge of what happened, both of whom are retired, and one of whom is anonymous. The story is riven with internal contradictions and inconsistencies.

The story simply does not hold up to scrutiny — and, sadly, is in line with Hersh's recent turn away from the investigative reporting that made him famous into unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

A decade ago, Hersh was one of the most respected investigative journalists on the planet, having broken major stories from the My Lai massacre in 1969 to the Abu Ghraib scandal in 2004. But more recently, his reports have become less and less credible. He's claimed that much of the US special forces is controlled by secret members of Opus Dei, that the US military flew Iranian terrorists to Nevada for training, and that the 2013 chemical weapons attack in Syria was a "false flag" staged by the government of Turkey. Those reports have had little proof and, rather than being borne out by subsequent investigations, have been either unsubstantiated or outright debunked. A close reading of Hersh's bin Laden story suggests it is likely to suffer the same fate.
cordially,
New strange, I read Hersh'es article
Navy SEALs met no resistance at Abbottabad and were escorted by a Pakistani intelligence officer to bin Laden's bedroom, where they killed him. Bin Laden's body was "torn apart with rifle fire" and pieces of the corpse "tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains"
don't recall seeing that line in there. Bodies are not torn apart from rifle fire evidenced by https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=clyde+barrow+death+pictures&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
The lawmen opened fire, killing Barrow and Parker while shooting a combined total of about 130 rounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_and_Clyde
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New depends
On how close, what the load is and what the caliber.

http://navyseals.com/weapons-demo/

Their standard issue rifles can kill at 800 meters!
At 10 bullets a second, 2 guys firing for 10 seconds will spew 200 bullets. That'll turn a body into hamburger.
New barrow was 45 acp and 30-06 and not without changing magazines
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Expand Edited by boxley May 13, 2015, 10:29:47 AM EDT
New bin Laden's Bookshelf released.
New interesting reading list
he Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly Hall
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New Ahh.. that old thing,
whose conclusions included
... Thus it is demonstrated that to capture a man it is not sufficient to enslave his body--it is necessary to enlist his reason; that to free a man it is not enough to strike the shackles from his limbs--his mind must be liberated from bondage to his own ignorance. Physical conquest must ever fail, for, generating hatred and dissension, it spurs the mind to the avenging of an outraged body; but all men are bound whether willingly or unwillingly to obey that intellect in which they recognize qualities and virtues superior to their own.

That the philosophic culture of ancient Greece, Egypt, and India excelled that of the modern world must be admitted by all, even by the most confirmed of modernists. The golden era of Greek æsthetics, intellectualism, and ethics has never since been equaled. The true philosopher belongs to the most noble order of men: the nation or race which is blessed by possession of illumined thinkers is fortunate indeed, and its name shall be remembered for their sake. In the famous Pythagorean school at Crotona, philosophy was regarded as indispensable to the life of man. He who did not comprehend the dignity of the reasoning power could not properly be said to live. Therefore, when through innate perverseness a member either voluntarily withdrew or was forcibly ejected from the philosophic fraternity, a headstone was set up for him in the community graveyard; for he who had forsaken intellectual and ethical pursuits to reenter the material sphere with its illusions of sense and false ambition was regarded as one dead to the sphere of Reality. The life represented by the thraldom of the senses the Pythagoreans conceived to be spiritual death, while they regarded death to the sense-world as spiritual life.

Philosophy bestows life in that it reveals the dignity and purpose of living. Materiality bestows death in that it benumbs or clouds those faculties of the human soul which should be responsive to the enlivening impulses of creative thought and ennobling virtue. How inferior to these standards of remote days are the laws by which men live in the twentieth century! Today man, a sublime creature with infinite capacity for self-improvement, in an effort to be true to false standards, turns from his birthright of understanding--without realizing the consequences--and plunges into the maelstrom of material illusion. The precious span of his earthly years he devotes to the pathetically futile effort to establish himself as an enduring power in a realm of unenduring things. Gradually the memory of his life as a spiritual being vanishes from his objective mind and he focuses all his partly awakened faculties upon ...
..and like that?

Pretty subversive stuff for the Consumer religion (guess bin-L wasn't all bad ... but for being another Authority figure? FAIL.)

New personally I think he was boinked too many times by brit public school attendees
and carried a grudge
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
     Long read: Sy Hersh on the killing of OBL - (rcareaga) - (11)
         isi knew he was there, whitehouse is never been slow on staking credit -NT - (boxley)
         Interesting. Hard to know how much to believe, though. - (Another Scott)
         Apparently the Telegraph published the story in 2011. - (Another Scott)
         contra Hersh - (rcareaga) - (3)
             strange, I read Hersh'es article - (boxley) - (2)
                 depends - (crazy) - (1)
                     barrow was 45 acp and 30-06 and not without changing magazines -NT - (boxley)
         bin Laden's Bookshelf released. - (Another Scott) - (3)
             interesting reading list - (boxley) - (2)
                 Ahh.. that old thing, - (Ashton) - (1)
                     personally I think he was boinked too many times by brit public school attendees - (boxley)

I do have to wonder why you would keep a live snake in your coat in Saskatoon in December.
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