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New This is supposed to horrify me?
They are going through a divorce. It is probably ugly. Well I have seen some pretty damned ugly divorces up close and personal. No surprise there. Most of us can be made to sound like real assholes by someone who knows us. I am no exception to that.

So she is converting to Islam. Well I have counted as friends several muslims whose faith bothered me less than most brands of Christian fundamentalism. Islam doesn't start and end with the Saudi Wahabi sect. Plus even if she has converted to an extreme sect, doesn't that suggest to you that she could use a gentle reminder that she still has friends out there?

And about the two principals here. Please remember that I have a personal reason to be biased. I liked and got along with both of them most of the time, but Nick's brand of fundamentalism resulted several times in his flaring out fairly seriously at me, while Janice was always pretty reasonable.

So if you will pardon me, I am not trying to choose sides. I am just asking about Janice. Does anyone have contact information for her, know how she is doing, etc?

Cheers,
Ben
"... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything."
--Richard Feynman
New If you discover a means
for contact, which preserves J's privacy - maybe via the mail-list (?) or another way, you could inform some of us other than publicly. Unclear whether she needs more than just kind words.

I always found her comments (and rebuttals :-) quite civil - thank GRR that she was 'blessed' with a sense of humour and proportionality, hopefully about lots of homo-sap silliness. (But humour won't much ameliorate separation from one's children, we see.)

I don't find her switch particularly surprising either - lot less of imaginary 'personalized conversations with #1' there.. What you flee-from is always the clearer, in any event.


Ashton
New Nope
Sorry, I didn't intend to portray that as a negative, or as to why one would choose sides. Merely as a reason, nothing more.

I've been through a pretty damned ugly divorce, happened in 97-98 and I'm still paying for it, in a number of ways.
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Steve
     keywords: bridge, water, under, varlinux, divorce, help - (kmself) - (23)
         beliefs, other-beliefs, winning, children, winning children? - (Ashton) - (1)
             wall, hit - (boxley)
         I am with Ashton - (ben_tilly) - (8)
             FWIW - (Steve Lowe) - (6)
                 Yagottabekidding . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                     I don't see much of a difference, really. - (Brandioch)
                     Islam and women are not mutually exclusive. - (inthane-chan)
                 This is supposed to horrify me? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                     If you discover a means - (Ashton)
                     Nope - (Steve Lowe)
             I wish the best to both of them and the kids - (orion)
         I genuinely admire your charitability. - (Meerkat) - (11)
             So do I - "from the safety of being out of range"... - (CRConrad) - (10)
                 Um, the "you" is Karsten? - (ben_tilly) - (9)
                     Perlmonks saint my ass - (kmself) - (3)
                         The two are not mutually exclusive :-) -NT - (ben_tilly)
                         Hmmm.... - (slugbug) - (1)
                             I've got it... - (kmself)
                     pre-Canonization: you *must* invite us to the Pyre Event! -NT - (Ashton)
                     Ah, yes... Did I misread, or John mispost? - (CRConrad) - (3)
                         I don't remember exactly what he said to who - (ben_tilly)
                         I had my facts straight - (Meerkat) - (1)
                             No no - not your fault; mine, for ass-u-ming what you meant. -NT - (CRConrad)

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