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Post #39,263 by Silverlock 5/20/02 10:29:55 AM Reply	The jokes forum might be better for this one A [link\|http://www.bartcop.com/051902braz.htm\|boob] by any other name.... "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does NOT mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country." ~ Theodore Roosevelt
Post #39,317 by Ashton 5/20/02 5:30:11 PM Reply	Claire..___at 60+___Rocks! A lovely lampoon of our most visible and visibly-affected Puritan du jour - as Top Cop in the land of (Wars on (wars on (wars on))). I look to the elders amongst us.. for any possible small path through our current thicket of thickheads, passel of Pipsqueaks with the power usually given to Statesmen (way back when we had those). It takes a few decades for the poverty of our now almost totally-Mercantile environment to be perceived starkly! for the POS it really has become. This is much more evident to those who lived through earlier times when it was mostly the George Babbitt mentality to be watched-for. But we're now two generations past.. Prescott Bush (he of the ~~ Hitler Trading Co. and a full miniRobber Baron) and have survived 1.5 of his spawn only.. thus far. May Claire turn her obvious skills to the waiting legions of other Absurdities 2002! Ashton
Post #39,323 by screamer 5/20/02 5:50:50 PM Reply	The juxtaposition is startling... Here I was chastising the "whipper snapper" for not noticing how much the SAME things are/have been... and you are simultaneously waxing nostalgic for the "good old days"... :-) Okay, so he's not going after "the mob" in this round of puritanism, but these Secs (sex?) of State/Homeland Security poobah, etc... always find some type of puritanical bandwagon to jump on. Some wholesome, pollyanna, white bread cause to pose next to the children, puppies and apple pie... As I dust off more and more of my old CD's (okay, so they're re-issues), the more I have come to the conclusion that we suffered from Chicken Lickin syndrome in the '60's... Go tell Goosey Loosey there Ashton, THE SKY IS FALLING... Mayhaps? Just substitute terrorism for communism and the schoolkids get to waste ten minutes a week hiding under their desks. I really WANT to wax nostalgic about some decade/epoch in my life, but they've all pretty much sucked politically. Adlai died when I was 4... What in the hell am I talking about? Just a few thoughts, Screamer "As people assemble, civilization Is trying to find a new way to die, But killing is really, merely scene changer,all men are bored, with other men's lives" ... "We all know success, when we all find our own dreams And our love is enough to knock down any walls And the future's been seen, as men try to realize The simple secret of the note in us all in us all" P. Townshend - Pure and Easy
Post #39,415 by boxley 5/21/02 4:41:28 PM Reply	OT "Johnny Winters Live And" is released on CD and absolutely rules! thanx, bill TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
Post #39,319 by screamer 5/20/02 5:35:27 PM Reply	Oh, I remember that song... Those that know nothing about history, are destined to make the same mistakes... And Ashcroft is so different than Robt Kennedy? Masters of War - By Bob Dylan (1963) Come you masters of war You that build all the guns You that build the death planes You that build the big bombs You that hide behind walls You that hide behind desks I just want you to know I can see through your masks You that never done nothin' But build to destroy You play with my world Like it's your little toy You put a gun in my hand And you hide from my eyes And you turn and run farther When the fast bullets fly Like Judas of old You lie and deceive A world war can be won You want me to believe But I see through your eyes And I see through your brain Like I see through the water That runs down my drain You fasten the triggers For the others to fire Then you set back and watch When the death count gets higher You hide in your mansion As young people's blood Flows out of their bodies And is buried in the mud You've thrown the worst fear That can ever be hurled Fear to bring children Into the world For threatening my baby Unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood That runs in your veins How much do I know To talk out of turn You might say that I'm young You might say I'm unlearned But there's one thing I know Though I'm younger than you Even Jesus would never Forgive what you do Let me ask you one question Is your money that good Will it buy you forgiveness Do you think that it could I think you will find When your death takes its toll All the money you made Will never buy back your soul And I hope that you die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand o'er your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead Just a few thoughts, Screamer "You hold the gun and I hold the wound, And we stand looking in each other's eyes, Both think we know what's right, Both know we know what's wrong, We tell ourselves so many many many lies, We're not pawns in any game, we're not tools of bigger men, There's only one who can really move us all, It all looks fine to the naked eye, But it don't really happen that way at all." P. Townshend - Naked Eye
Post #39,338 by Ashton 5/20/02 8:00:04 PM Reply	Le plus s\ufffd change .. meme chose Yeah, good stuff - suitable for about any age, of course. No - I waren't waxing nostalgic of The Time (any old one) but for.. the 'time' one needs in order to possibly ever gain any perspective. You had to have seen the "buck-tooth Jap" posters and heard the oiliness [especially That] of McCarthy's Rush-like diction and the visible sneer you could 'hear' - to get the flavor of a man who had the whole fucking Nation quaking in boots and looking under beds for Pinkos. Even grammas'.. The Green Table, a brief ballet I saw in ~ late '60s perfectly captured the visuals for.. your Dylan rant. It was exquisite, and I wonder why it isn't periodically redone, especially now that we need it again, a Lot. IG Farben, GE, Nestle, BP -- what's the Difference? No Corporation has allegiance beyond a small-% of Itself. (Now not even that is needed - what with parachutes & bonuses even After you fail!) It's still and ever - the old farts with Egos and Always: those Portfolios (and Pop-Religion) - never forget the role of God in the dissembling, finger-pointing and ultimately rationalizing: sending out of cannon fodder. Now if HALF of those old farts worldwide were female.. (notwithstanding Maggie and Golda, who were perfectly male in temperament) - that might be a start in reeducation. Maybe in your grandson's time; may he have such. The occasional leaks of how 'Statesmen' speak with each other privately, and especially with their 'team' VS the public oratory and official obfuscation - demonstrates the inescapable cynicism of power. We ought to realize such by now. Oughtn't we? (My guess is that the God-thing won't die til too many homo-saps have died first - to possibly rebuild anything from the micro-smashed rubble. We do too good a job of smashing stuff nowadays + too many mouths to feed with 'zero-sum' mindsets.) Oh well. Real life always surprises those who imagine it's stuck in a permanent rut. Ashton

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