Not entirely.

Post #39,079 by inthane-chan 5/17/02 5:12:19 PM Reply	Not entirely. Desitter was blaming this all on the Indians. It sure as hell ain't their fault - blame it on those who really are at fault, the beancounters. InThane - Now running Ashton rev 2.0
Post #39,084 by imric 5/17/02 5:46:34 PM Reply	Was he? I remember more that he was blaming management and government for favoring cheap foreign labor for local positions, importing folk into this country for the express purpose of displacing (more expensive) US workers. He didn't like it because he had difficulty communicating (and, more often than not, I have to get new Indian immigrants to repeat what they say - I guess that makes me a bigot too, right?), and that he questioned many of the qualifications that got them the jobs over local professionals. As if a resume was anything more than a feature checklist to HR. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #39,208 by jb4 5/19/02 10:10:16 AM Reply	Your point? I'm sorry, imric, but are you agreeing with DeSitter or not: I remember more that he was blaming management and government for favoring cheap foreign labor for local positions, importing folk into this country for the express purpose of displacing (more expensive) US workers. That's the way I remember his diatribes, too. And that is exactly what lincoln's 3 posts were about. So I guess he was/is right, wasn't/isn't he.... jb4 (Resistance is not futile...)
Post #39,213 by imric 5/19/02 10:55:33 AM Reply	I was disagreeing with inthane-chan When he said: Desitter was blaming this all on the Indians I never got that impression. He did seem to be categorizing all H1B Indians based on his own negative experiences. And - is/was he right/wrong? Yes/No. I have no problem with H1-Bs on a personal, case-by case, worker-by worker level - because H1B is abused, does not mean that all H1B workers (or even all H1B Indians) are inappropriate for US business. I have a BIG problem with companies that hire workers because they are cheap, not because they are qualified. I consider communications skills to be part of the qualifications of an effective worker. I have a problem with sweeping generalizations, especially if those generalizations are racial, cultural, religious or political. I have a problem with a myth of a 'shortage' of IT workers being promulgated so that positions are filled by workers with limited communications skills (read: UNQUALIFIED) workers while displacing qualified professionals. - As an aside - to those that claim that the H1B Indians are easily understood? Good for you! Good for them! DON'T be guilty of making sweeping generalizations based on soley your own experiences, and don't expect those that have differing experiences to 'recant' those experiences based soley on your say-so. I speak with Indian immigrants EVERY DAY, and they CAN be very difficult to understand. Yes, I am including professional-level (doctors, IT pros, etc) people. No, I do not exclude US citizens from commuication problems. Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #39,248 by inthane-chan 5/20/02 3:53:14 AM Reply	Actually, we agree for the most part then. Y'see, from what I read of his rantings, he seemed to be mostly complaining about those "unintelligble, incompetent indians" and not complaining much about the companies that hired them. Your argument, on the other hand, is a lot better thought out and clear. Which I am not, given how tired (but not sleepy!) I am right now. Bleah. InThane - Now running Ashton rev 2.0
Post #39,293 by Ashton 5/20/02 1:54:12 PM Reply	Yeah, FWIW - I recall it that way too DeSit would blurt out a highly emotional post, indistinguishable from the normal xenophobic Murican pastime. I'm inclined to believe that he's no pro-forma [whatever]-ist either.. but he was excoriated for Sounding indistinguishable from such. Hey.. nobody can be immersed in US kultur for long, without becoming a bit crazy (unless in a closet with all sound disconnected - like say, a Congresscritter? They manage to act crazy.. while also disconnected - a Real Accomplishment) Ashton
Post #39,162 by orion 5/18/02 7:18:00 PM Reply	Not quite he was friends with a lot of the Indians he worked with. He didn't blame them, he called them victims of manangement and that management was to blame for being too greedy and cutting out a lot of US citizens out of a job in favor of the H1B Visa workers. Basically he said the H1B's got exploited by management. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #39,247 by inthane-chan 5/20/02 3:52:41 AM Reply	That view didn't come over too well in his posts... InThane - Now running Ashton rev 2.0

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