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New I wonder.
Do you think the fact that you are not a Marxist enables you to more easily imagine situations where things could go pear shaped than how things might be better? I think you've acknowledged that we roughly agree on the current situation being untenable in the long term, but we disagree on whether the impending break-up would be good or bad. Do you think it could be that our difference on the subject is a manifestation of our predispositions?
New That seems plausible
Alas, I'm obliged to step back from the pixels these next 48 hours, so the discussion must needs proceed (or tail off) without me...

cordially,
     mmoffitt's thought experiment: let's discuss - (rcareaga) - (54)
         how is your spanish? -NT - (boxley) - (7)
             Explain your point, with great length please. - (folkert) - (6)
                 no problema carnecita - (boxley) - (5)
                     You really are... - (folkert) - (4)
                         boys, boys - (rcareaga) - (3)
                             depending upon how the state breaks down - (boxley) - (2)
                                 excellent point - (rcareaga)
                                 Re: lure for hard charging folks like the cartels. - (mmoffitt)
         I'd be willing to forego the common militia. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
             "free, unimpeded movement" - (rcareaga) - (8)
                 Dude, don't kill my Utopian Buzz. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                     brief clarification & then - (rcareaga)
                     I'll bet you're a Kunstler fan -NT - (drook) - (2)
                         or conceivably of these folks - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             Hmmm.. a Gantt-chart of these overlapping mind-sets would resemble a - (Ashton)
                     another imagined contention - (rcareaga) - (2)
                         I wonder. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             That seems plausible - (rcareaga)
         Fare thee well - (gcareaga) - (9)
             Left to their own devices ... - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                 Re: Left to their own devices ... - (rcareaga) - (3)
                     Heh - (pwhysall) - (2)
                         I borrowed the term... - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             Pakistan had help. - (Another Scott)
                 Forget the nukes - (scoenye) - (1)
                     Seems a predictably-insoluble conundrum.. indefinitely. - (Ashton)
             Georgia already has the material - (boxley) - (1)
                 Securing nuclear materials - (gcareaga)
         It's not the number of people that matters. - (Another Scott) - (23)
             California even survived Gov. Moonbeam! :) - (a6l6e6x) - (9)
                 You're aware, aren't you - (rcareaga) - (8)
                     Every week I get several calls asking me to invest . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                     My first thought on first hearing the Moonbeam appellation was the obvious one: - (Ashton)
                     Did you note the smiley? - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                         Noted, yes, but - (rcareaga) - (4)
                             Well, Prop 13 comes to mind. - (a6l6e6x) - (3)
                                 Re: Well, Prop 13 comes to mind. - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                     Wiki-P gives a decent synopsis of Gann/Jarvis' motives and.. - (Ashton)
                                 I remember my dad accurately predicting Prop 13 would destroy CA schools. - (mmoffitt)
             Why not provide all states with nukes, then? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 Why not? Because... - (rcareaga) - (1)
                     Since about 1983, ... - (mmoffitt)
             But size and geographic proximity do. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 The drowning northeast - (gcareaga) - (1)
                     The triage following the first serious water intrusions.. cannot fail to catalyze - (Ashton)
             "Kampuchea...was briefly ruled by genocidal psychopaths" - (rcareaga) - (6)
                 Foul!! Before displaying such a visage, the decent person - (Ashton) - (3)
                     in a more perfect word... - (rcareaga) - (2)
                         (I truly Should... live so long.) -NT - (Ashton)
                         Much more apropos (and Fixed It For You) - (folkert)
                 Where is my barf bucket? -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                     here ya go - (boxley)
         Related: - (malraux) - (1)
             Food for thought, but as an early responder notes, - (Ashton)

...and the President was unfortunately subjected to public opinion.
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