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New Re: Well, Prop 13 comes to mind.
Not exactly a Brown initiative, though he certainly acquiesced to the fait accompli. Do you remember what the Prop 13's proponents held forth as their main argument? California was running a budget surplus under Brown. No one wants to talk about that now.

cordially,
New Wiki-P gives a decent synopsis of Gann/Jarvis' motives and..
barely limns the Loss to CA brainpower subsequently.

While I benefited from the thing, (especially its timing: a few years before peddling my manse in Kensington)
I can't claim prescience of just How-horrible would be the fall-out of this putative subsidy for
old-folks-staying in-house in perpetuum.

(And I Should have grokked that immediately; all ye need know is Alex's/Asimov Sig.)
     mmoffitt's thought experiment: let's discuss - (rcareaga) - (54)
         how is your spanish? -NT - (boxley) - (7)
             Explain your point, with great length please. - (folkert) - (6)
                 no problema carnecita - (boxley) - (5)
                     You really are... - (folkert) - (4)
                         boys, boys - (rcareaga) - (3)
                             depending upon how the state breaks down - (boxley) - (2)
                                 excellent point - (rcareaga)
                                 Re: lure for hard charging folks like the cartels. - (mmoffitt)
         I'd be willing to forego the common militia. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
             "free, unimpeded movement" - (rcareaga) - (8)
                 Dude, don't kill my Utopian Buzz. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                     brief clarification & then - (rcareaga)
                     I'll bet you're a Kunstler fan -NT - (drook) - (2)
                         or conceivably of these folks - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             Hmmm.. a Gantt-chart of these overlapping mind-sets would resemble a - (Ashton)
                     another imagined contention - (rcareaga) - (2)
                         I wonder. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             That seems plausible - (rcareaga)
         Fare thee well - (gcareaga) - (9)
             Left to their own devices ... - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                 Re: Left to their own devices ... - (rcareaga) - (3)
                     Heh - (pwhysall) - (2)
                         I borrowed the term... - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             Pakistan had help. - (Another Scott)
                 Forget the nukes - (scoenye) - (1)
                     Seems a predictably-insoluble conundrum.. indefinitely. - (Ashton)
             Georgia already has the material - (boxley) - (1)
                 Securing nuclear materials - (gcareaga)
         It's not the number of people that matters. - (Another Scott) - (23)
             California even survived Gov. Moonbeam! :) - (a6l6e6x) - (9)
                 You're aware, aren't you - (rcareaga) - (8)
                     Every week I get several calls asking me to invest . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                     My first thought on first hearing the Moonbeam appellation was the obvious one: - (Ashton)
                     Did you note the smiley? - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                         Noted, yes, but - (rcareaga) - (4)
                             Well, Prop 13 comes to mind. - (a6l6e6x) - (3)
                                 Re: Well, Prop 13 comes to mind. - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                     Wiki-P gives a decent synopsis of Gann/Jarvis' motives and.. - (Ashton)
                                 I remember my dad accurately predicting Prop 13 would destroy CA schools. - (mmoffitt)
             Why not provide all states with nukes, then? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 Why not? Because... - (rcareaga) - (1)
                     Since about 1983, ... - (mmoffitt)
             But size and geographic proximity do. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 The drowning northeast - (gcareaga) - (1)
                     The triage following the first serious water intrusions.. cannot fail to catalyze - (Ashton)
             "Kampuchea...was briefly ruled by genocidal psychopaths" - (rcareaga) - (6)
                 Foul!! Before displaying such a visage, the decent person - (Ashton) - (3)
                     in a more perfect word... - (rcareaga) - (2)
                         (I truly Should... live so long.) -NT - (Ashton)
                         Much more apropos (and Fixed It For You) - (folkert)
                 Where is my barf bucket? -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                     here ya go - (boxley)
         Related: - (malraux) - (1)
             Food for thought, but as an early responder notes, - (Ashton)

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