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This site bills itself as "Pro-White, Pro-South, Pro-Independence." I link to the particular discussion because several of the comments are fascinating. When one sympathetic dissenter objects, "all very well and good, but what're we gonna do with all the blacks?" the proprietor says that once the reimposition of Jim Crow, which he asserts with approval is already underway, is put firmly in place post-independence, the nigras will head north of their own accord. I must say that there is something almost refreshing when our southern brethren leave off with the winks and nudges and let their freak flags (Confederate battle flag, natch) fly.

Kidding aside, I should clarify here that I don't actually imagine that mmoffitt, notwithstanding his avowed dissatisfaction with the outcome of the War of Northern Aggression, may be justly classed with these loons. But you know, there does appear to be a growing collection of constituencies who, having little else in common (Ecotopia and New Dixie, to name just two), believe for various reasons in national devolution. Friend mmoffitt inclines to think that this could be a good development, and I am disposed to believe that things could go pear-shaped pretty quickly. The breakup of the USSR, however traumatic the first decade may have been, was really a pretty soft landing, almost astonishingly so. Here, I think, Yugoslavia would be the likelier model. For my part I very much prefer the lumbering, vast, unwieldy devil I know to the score of nimbler, crueler imps I see bursting forth from that devil's corpse.

cordially,
New Hmmm.. a Gantt-chart of these overlapping mind-sets would resemble a
pointillist's first-draft canvas.

A downside to the genius of Edward Tufte is that, now anyone can conjure-up (via antidotes to Power Punt) that which appears to corroborate fervid hookah-dreams.
Maybe I can skim more replies; a few seem pithy on first-pass, but my brain hurts.

(It is not just the lumpen-folk who can never be quite sure how their newly elected/or selected pig-in-poke might squeal, once anointed.
     mmoffitt's thought experiment: let's discuss - (rcareaga) - (54)
         how is your spanish? -NT - (boxley) - (7)
             Explain your point, with great length please. - (folkert) - (6)
                 no problema carnecita - (boxley) - (5)
                     You really are... - (folkert) - (4)
                         boys, boys - (rcareaga) - (3)
                             depending upon how the state breaks down - (boxley) - (2)
                                 excellent point - (rcareaga)
                                 Re: lure for hard charging folks like the cartels. - (mmoffitt)
         I'd be willing to forego the common militia. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
             "free, unimpeded movement" - (rcareaga) - (8)
                 Dude, don't kill my Utopian Buzz. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                     brief clarification & then - (rcareaga)
                     I'll bet you're a Kunstler fan -NT - (drook) - (2)
                         or conceivably of these folks - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             Hmmm.. a Gantt-chart of these overlapping mind-sets would resemble a - (Ashton)
                     another imagined contention - (rcareaga) - (2)
                         I wonder. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             That seems plausible - (rcareaga)
         Fare thee well - (gcareaga) - (9)
             Left to their own devices ... - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                 Re: Left to their own devices ... - (rcareaga) - (3)
                     Heh - (pwhysall) - (2)
                         I borrowed the term... - (rcareaga) - (1)
                             Pakistan had help. - (Another Scott)
                 Forget the nukes - (scoenye) - (1)
                     Seems a predictably-insoluble conundrum.. indefinitely. - (Ashton)
             Georgia already has the material - (boxley) - (1)
                 Securing nuclear materials - (gcareaga)
         It's not the number of people that matters. - (Another Scott) - (23)
             California even survived Gov. Moonbeam! :) - (a6l6e6x) - (9)
                 You're aware, aren't you - (rcareaga) - (8)
                     Every week I get several calls asking me to invest . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                     My first thought on first hearing the Moonbeam appellation was the obvious one: - (Ashton)
                     Did you note the smiley? - (a6l6e6x) - (5)
                         Noted, yes, but - (rcareaga) - (4)
                             Well, Prop 13 comes to mind. - (a6l6e6x) - (3)
                                 Re: Well, Prop 13 comes to mind. - (rcareaga) - (1)
                                     Wiki-P gives a decent synopsis of Gann/Jarvis' motives and.. - (Ashton)
                                 I remember my dad accurately predicting Prop 13 would destroy CA schools. - (mmoffitt)
             Why not provide all states with nukes, then? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 Why not? Because... - (rcareaga) - (1)
                     Since about 1983, ... - (mmoffitt)
             But size and geographic proximity do. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 The drowning northeast - (gcareaga) - (1)
                     The triage following the first serious water intrusions.. cannot fail to catalyze - (Ashton)
             "Kampuchea...was briefly ruled by genocidal psychopaths" - (rcareaga) - (6)
                 Foul!! Before displaying such a visage, the decent person - (Ashton) - (3)
                     in a more perfect word... - (rcareaga) - (2)
                         (I truly Should... live so long.) -NT - (Ashton)
                         Much more apropos (and Fixed It For You) - (folkert)
                 Where is my barf bucket? -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                     here ya go - (boxley)
         Related: - (malraux) - (1)
             Food for thought, but as an early responder notes, - (Ashton)

But Einstein ain't so cheap to buy off...
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