clue by four, the money is not coming from the res

Post #390,056 by boxley 5/29/14 4:30:06 PM Reply	clue by four, the money is not coming from the res it's coming to the res. Nice reversal for a change but as usual whites can't stand the idea of Indians having money. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #390,060 by drook 5/29/14 5:05:08 PM Reply	What indians are profiting from the Casino in Cleveland? -- Drew
Post #390,064 by boxley 5/29/14 5:28:58 PM Reply	What non indians are profiting from the Casino in Choctaw? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #390,069 by folkert 5/29/14 6:11:22 PM Reply	You are just wrong. Gambling preys on the weak and infirm with its cancerous growth of the addiction. Get over your crotchety self and stop trolling. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #390,070 by boxley 5/29/14 6:15:27 PM Reply	you are trying to impose your morality on others Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #390,072 by folkert 5/29/14 6:18:31 PM Reply	No. You are being a troll. Taking money from anyone like that is a problem. Period. You like it because of your precious "heritage." Fuck your heritage, it honestly means "fuck all." Mine isn't any fucking better. Stop being a troll. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #390,075 by boxley 5/29/14 8:05:09 PM Reply	I should not have replied to you you are a complete waste of energy attacking me because I see casinos as a legal entity for reservations to make money. No matter that you probably don't mind lottery vendors, bars, strip clubs, banks or the stock market. It just gripes your ass that Indians make money off of white people. Last post from me Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #390,078 by drook 5/29/14 8:43:01 PM Reply	I don't associate casinos with reservations I've been to dozens of casinos, never been on a reservation. -- Drew
Post #390,083 by Andrew Grygus 5/29/14 9:45:54 PM Reply	That's because you don't live around here. Billboards advertising Indian casinos are plentiful here in Los Angeles.
Post #390,084 by Another Scott 5/29/14 9:54:08 PM Reply	Used to see them every 10 minutes on Red Sox broadcasts... http://www.foxwoods.com Cheers, Scott.
Post #390,096 by drook 5/30/14 8:42:49 AM Reply	You mean ... Bill's pet issue isn't a universal truth? -- Drew
Post #390,099 by mmoffitt 5/30/14 9:27:03 AM Reply	And in NC, it's Cherokee. And box is right on this. I don't like the hoops the different nations have to jump through in order to be "approved" for operating casinos. IMO, if you're a Native, even if you're the only member of your Nation left alive, you ought to be allowed to open a casino. But Bill's absolutely dead bang correct on this. Most of the opposition to these casinos originates with an intense displeasure that brown people are "getting rich" from the poor white suckers. Personally, any white fleecing that might be going on (not that I know of any) is wholly justified and long overdue. We can't be fleeced enough to ever come close to balancing the scales. Years ago when Newt was on a anti-immigrant campaign I told my father I agreed completely with Newt, but I didn't think his position was strong enough. You may recall Newt wanted to un-citizen anyone born here if their parents had entered the US illegally. His position was that even if your parents were born here, but your grandparents had entered the US illegally, you were still not a citizen. When I told my father I didn't think Newt's position was strong enough, he gasped and said, "What on earth? What do you think should be the policy?" I said, "There should be no citizenship granted for anyone born here whose ancestry includes any illegal immigrants. And that should hold all the way back to at least 1492. Anyone born here whose ancestors weren't already here in 1492 are not to be considered citizens, but illegals and they should be sent back to wherever they originated. All of them. No exceptions." Dad felt better after my elaboration. ;0)
Post #390,101 by folkert 5/30/14 9:39:03 AM Reply	So, retribution makes it alright. Perfect. You also realize that the bulk of people going to Casinos can't really afford to spend that money there. Awesome. My opposition, regardless of what dumb shit thinks, is not due to them being brown people. My opposition is indeed, the same opposition as Bars, Banks, Stock Exchange and the Lottery. The thing is, Banking is really the only current way to "do" the money thing... it needs to be fixed and we know how and why. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #390,104 by mmoffitt 5/30/14 9:54:30 AM Reply	So you're in charge of how people should spend their money? And note that I said IF there was any fleecing going on then it was justified.
Post #390,105 by folkert 5/30/14 10:04:18 AM Reply	Nope, never said that. Taking advantage of weak minded people that won't think for themselves is where this is where it stinks. Then there are those that think in ways upon which they do prey upon people's weak mind... and there we have X in a nutshell. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #390,112 by mmoffitt 5/30/14 10:32:43 AM Reply	What's wrong with fleecing Teabaggers? The weak-minded are allowed to vote. They shouldn't be protected.
Post #390,113 by drook 5/30/14 10:43:31 AM Reply	The casino issue was the weakest on on that list, IMO, but ... The issue isn't whether the weak minded should be protected. It's about casinos vs. other possible businesses. Which one generates more overall economic activity? -- Drew
Post #390,115 by mmoffitt 5/30/14 11:06:39 AM Reply	On the res? That's easy.
Post #390,118 by drook 5/30/14 11:30:44 AM Reply	Hmm ... this is awkward http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/destinations/travel/story/2012-02-09/Casino-gambling-revenue-shows-uptick-nationally/53029676/1 [American Gaming] Association figures don't include tribal casinos, which comprise about 40%, or $26 billion, of total U.S. casino revenue annually, estimates Eadington. http://navajotimes.com/news/2012/0112/012612census.php This means Natives are now a slightly larger minority, comprising 1.7 percent of the population versus 1.5 in 2000. Casino gambling is not primarily an Indian issue. However, the impact on the community is disproportionate to say the least. It's like drug laws. Even though minorities consume less drugs in absolute numbers, the impact of legal action has fallen so disproportionately on minorities it's hard not to see intent. Like I said, the gambling was the weakest issue on that list for me, but to the extent that I agreed with it I didn't see any racism in it. But it's not hard to believe that some of the powerful interests aligned against it are disguising the real reason for their opposition. -- Drew
Post #390,121 by boxley 5/30/14 11:35:57 AM Reply	when the only legal casinos were in vegas and AC could you gamble in cleveland? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #390,122 by drook 5/30/14 11:44:24 AM Reply	No, and that's why I didn't see this issue as having to do with Indians There was opposition to allowing a casino here. It wasn't going to be on a res, so the arguments couldn't have had anything to do with Indians. But ... If there are people with deep pockets who don't like Indians, and they're attacking casinos because of that, it would make sense that the organizations they fund would "exceed their mandate" so to speak and go after all casinos. -- Drew
Post #390,123 by boxley 5/30/14 12:10:20 PM Reply	bzzt wrong, you could gamble in cleveland before casinos slots cards horse races and the numbers. Stopping casinos does not stop gambling in any form http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2014/04/gambling_raid_puts_north_royal.html Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #390,125 by folkert 5/30/14 12:45:35 PM Reply	Ahhh now we see your real intent. Have fun with that, troll. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #390,128 by drook 5/30/14 1:20:20 PM Reply	Not clear In any time and place where you couldn't legally gamble, you could of course do so illegally. What does that have to do with whether casino gambling should be legalized, or whether opposition to casino gambling is an indirect attack on Indians? -- Drew
Post #390,139 by boxley 5/30/14 3:16:56 PM Reply	if you go back to the top of the thread I questioned why casino gambling needed to be curtailed. Later I then pointed out that is the one way that tribes could leverage income. My last point to you was that gambling will happen casinos or no. So once again, back to the top, why should the government force casinos to close? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #390,086 by folkert 5/29/14 10:48:29 PM Reply	HAHA! -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #390,106 by Another Scott 5/30/14 10:05:10 AM Reply	Come back when you can. FWIW, I don't think you were trolling. You made good points, but perhaps with too few words. :-) Let's not get to each other but rather reason together. Cheers, Scott.
Post #390,110 by boxley 5/30/14 10:27:26 AM Reply	Sorry wasn't clear just not posting to assclown Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep

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