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New How can we agree?
We aren't even arguing the same issue. ;0)

To your quoted point, I'm not arguing that such should not be the case. I'm arguing with you (if at all) about whether or not "marriage" should be the sole method of achieving that equality. I don't think it should, but as Ashton pointed out, it might have to be given the current "real world" situation.

I don't think people who divorce are defective, bad or morally inferior in the least. I do think it's pretty clear their choice to marry was ill advised assuming the traditional until death do you part.

If marriage is evolving (or has evolved) to mean "a temporary living arrangement carrying some legal benefits" then IMO marriage has outlived its usefulness, not withstanding the fact that it never really lived up to its stated ideal for everyone who entered into it. I don't think it is fair to the legions of single mothers out there (or cohabitating gay couples for that matter) to define "family" solely through wedlock, so I reject the notion that only through wedlock can a family truely be said to exist or be accepted as such by society. I concede I might be outside the "real world" again in that sentiment.

Cheers,
Mikem

Oh, and thanks for the nitpick about 50 percent. 41 percent then, or whatever it is. ;0)

New That nitpick is 34,200,00 HTH.
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New The nits, they must be picked!
New Math is not your strong suit is it? But, no matter. ;0)
     Sullivan defends Eich. - (mmoffitt) - (80)
         Awww - (crazy) - (66)
             Here's a geniune gay perspective for you. - (mmoffitt) - (65)
                 I'm reminded of a certain Anatole France quote... - (Another Scott)
                 Bull**** - (drook) - (63)
                     Both result in children, then? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (62)
                         Reproduction is not a requirement of marriage. -NT - (Another Scott) - (59)
                             Not the point I was addressing. - (mmoffitt)
                             Related: USSC declines review of photography case. - (mmoffitt) - (57)
                                 ahh, so sad - (crazy) - (56)
                                     HA! - (mmoffitt) - (55)
                                         Re: HA! - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                             But in no species does it result in a next generation. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                                 Evolution is driven by genes, not individuals. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                     Wow. Really? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                         If they're not passed on, why do they exist? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                             We're past each other. But, I'll answer. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                 Yeah, we're talking past each other. - (Another Scott)
                                                         howsabout gay male help tend the fire so orc and ug - (boxley)
                                         So what? - (pwhysall) - (46)
                                             Not at all! - (mmoffitt) - (45)
                                                 You miss the point in grand style. - (pwhysall) - (16)
                                                     This has confused me since I was 12. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                                                         Taxes and legal rights. - (malraux) - (8)
                                                             And how about ... - (drook)
                                                             Don't know about you, but our taxes went up. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                                                 Oh, right. - (malraux) - (5)
                                                                     Bryce is the reason? - (pwhysall)
                                                                     Name calling? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                         "No objection"?!? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                             Maybe one of my posts? - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                                 Doesn't matter - (crazy)
                                                         Cornerstone cultural significance - (crazy) - (1)
                                                             Heh. - (mmoffitt)
                                                     You know what I find funny? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                         Ahh, default priviledge - (crazy)
                                                         That's because you're the default. - (pwhysall)
                                                         Brendan Fraser movie "School Ties" - (drook)
                                                 The law calls it "marriage" - (drook) - (26)
                                                     Then why isn't my mother called a father? - (mmoffitt) - (25)
                                                         Because she is the birth mother - (drook) - (24)
                                                             rofl. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                             Bzzzt. Two daughters. HTH. - (mmoffitt) - (22)
                                                                 Maybe you sell yourself short. Maybe not. - (crazy) - (21)
                                                                     ok - (crazy)
                                                                     Interesting question. - (mmoffitt) - (19)
                                                                         not what I asked - (crazy)
                                                                         What's wrong with adoption? -NT - (drook) - (3)
                                                                             game over - (crazy) - (2)
                                                                                 told ya - (crazy)
                                                                                 double post - slow iwethey - (crazy)
                                                                         Hmmm... - (hnick) - (11)
                                                                             Mine doesn't really vary much. - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                                                                                 Call it a flapjack for all of mine... - (hnick) - (2)
                                                                                     Well said. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                     Then we agree, I think. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                 You keep asking this question. - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                                                                     Hmmm... - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                                                         A few things... - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                                             How can we agree? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                                 That nitpick is 34,200,00 HTH. -NT - (folkert) - (2)
                                                                                                     The nits, they must be picked! -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                     Math is not your strong suit is it? But, no matter. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                         Your objection to, 'taking sex-orientation as any big deal' - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                             I hate to admit it, but you're right. - (mmoffitt)
                                                 Hmm... - (Another Scott)
                         Why do you need the government to recognize that difference? -NT - (drook) - (1)
                             Why do you need the government to say there isn't one? -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Hehe - (pwhysall) - (1)
             Good summary. -NT - (static)
         TBogg's take. - (Another Scott) - (3)
             And a gay man responds. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 Oh, bollocks - (pwhysall)
                 Meanwhile, in other controversial areas: - (Ashton)
         nicely countered - (crazy) - (6)
             Reminds me of this - (drook)
             Counter to what? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 Of course - (drook) - (1)
                     But, you forgot "the sign". :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                 There's also a 'fore-runner' Issue: 'DINK's. Way-back. - (Ashton)
             sic the Official SpokesGay on them - (boxley)

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