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New Call it a flapjack for all of mine...

Where we differ (perhaps) is that our shared value that everyone deserves such a relationship necessarily means that everyone should have the right to marry. I see "marriage" and "committed relationship" as two distinct things

My point is that two people in love who publicly and ostensibly permanently define their relationship, should have exactly equal rights and liabilities with respect to family identity, property, and tax laws.
If you want to make the claim that marriage is a religious function, then remove all legal power from it; it's the same as going to church with your whatever. Put the family breaks in a civil relationship. Which the clergy already have the power to do. They require marriage licenses and such. They are doing a civil ceremony anyway.
Treat them equally and I'm happy. Everybody should be able to pick who they are happy with and not be penalized if Mrs. Grundy doesn't like it.
"Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable."
~ AMBROSE BIERCE
(1842-1914)
New Well said.
New Then we agree, I think.
Me:
If this whole "marriage equality" question had instead been posed as, "Should homosexual civil commitments (or whatever phrase) receive all benefits under the law and be recognized as being the equal of marriage?" you'd have heard nary a peep from me.


You:
Put the family breaks in a civil relationship. ... Treat them equally and I'm happy.

I may be thick (and I don't understand the meaning of your subject), but I don't see a material difference in those sentiments.
     Sullivan defends Eich. - (mmoffitt) - (80)
         Awww - (crazy) - (66)
             Here's a geniune gay perspective for you. - (mmoffitt) - (65)
                 I'm reminded of a certain Anatole France quote... - (Another Scott)
                 Bull**** - (drook) - (63)
                     Both result in children, then? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (62)
                         Reproduction is not a requirement of marriage. -NT - (Another Scott) - (59)
                             Not the point I was addressing. - (mmoffitt)
                             Related: USSC declines review of photography case. - (mmoffitt) - (57)
                                 ahh, so sad - (crazy) - (56)
                                     HA! - (mmoffitt) - (55)
                                         Re: HA! - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                             But in no species does it result in a next generation. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                                 Evolution is driven by genes, not individuals. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                                     Wow. Really? - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                         If they're not passed on, why do they exist? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                             We're past each other. But, I'll answer. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                 Yeah, we're talking past each other. - (Another Scott)
                                                         howsabout gay male help tend the fire so orc and ug - (boxley)
                                         So what? - (pwhysall) - (46)
                                             Not at all! - (mmoffitt) - (45)
                                                 You miss the point in grand style. - (pwhysall) - (16)
                                                     This has confused me since I was 12. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                                                         Taxes and legal rights. - (malraux) - (8)
                                                             And how about ... - (drook)
                                                             Don't know about you, but our taxes went up. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                                                 Oh, right. - (malraux) - (5)
                                                                     Bryce is the reason? - (pwhysall)
                                                                     Name calling? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                         "No objection"?!? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                                                             Maybe one of my posts? - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                                 Doesn't matter - (crazy)
                                                         Cornerstone cultural significance - (crazy) - (1)
                                                             Heh. - (mmoffitt)
                                                     You know what I find funny? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                         Ahh, default priviledge - (crazy)
                                                         That's because you're the default. - (pwhysall)
                                                         Brendan Fraser movie "School Ties" - (drook)
                                                 The law calls it "marriage" - (drook) - (26)
                                                     Then why isn't my mother called a father? - (mmoffitt) - (25)
                                                         Because she is the birth mother - (drook) - (24)
                                                             rofl. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                             Bzzzt. Two daughters. HTH. - (mmoffitt) - (22)
                                                                 Maybe you sell yourself short. Maybe not. - (crazy) - (21)
                                                                     ok - (crazy)
                                                                     Interesting question. - (mmoffitt) - (19)
                                                                         not what I asked - (crazy)
                                                                         What's wrong with adoption? -NT - (drook) - (3)
                                                                             game over - (crazy) - (2)
                                                                                 told ya - (crazy)
                                                                                 double post - slow iwethey - (crazy)
                                                                         Hmmm... - (hnick) - (11)
                                                                             Mine doesn't really vary much. - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                                                                                 Call it a flapjack for all of mine... - (hnick) - (2)
                                                                                     Well said. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                     Then we agree, I think. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                 You keep asking this question. - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                                                                     Hmmm... - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                                                                                         A few things... - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                                             How can we agree? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                                 That nitpick is 34,200,00 HTH. -NT - (folkert) - (2)
                                                                                                     The nits, they must be picked! -NT - (Another Scott)
                                                                                                     Math is not your strong suit is it? But, no matter. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                         Your objection to, 'taking sex-orientation as any big deal' - (Ashton) - (1)
                                                                             I hate to admit it, but you're right. - (mmoffitt)
                                                 Hmm... - (Another Scott)
                         Why do you need the government to recognize that difference? -NT - (drook) - (1)
                             Why do you need the government to say there isn't one? -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Hehe - (pwhysall) - (1)
             Good summary. -NT - (static)
         TBogg's take. - (Another Scott) - (3)
             And a gay man responds. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                 Oh, bollocks - (pwhysall)
                 Meanwhile, in other controversial areas: - (Ashton)
         nicely countered - (crazy) - (6)
             Reminds me of this - (drook)
             Counter to what? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 Of course - (drook) - (1)
                     But, you forgot "the sign". :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                 There's also a 'fore-runner' Issue: 'DINK's. Way-back. - (Ashton)
             sic the Official SpokesGay on them - (boxley)

Erm, jb......that already IS a Lerpadism.
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