It is the SAME ADVERSE EFFECT as the Drink.

Post #388,158 by folkert 4/3/14 11:37:02 AM Reply	It is the SAME ADVERSE EFFECT as the Drink. He didn't die from Overdose. He died from stupidity. You still just can't see with out your forced perspective judgement clouding. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #388,161 by mmoffitt 4/3/14 12:08:28 PM Reply	Interesting. He didn't die from Overdose. So, the normal, expected effect is to become upset, erratic, sick and bolt out of a room and over a balcony to one's death? None of that happened because the kid had too much? Interesting.
Post #388,163 by boxley 4/3/14 12:28:32 PM Reply	here, hold my beer Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #388,170 by crazy 4/3/14 3:50:23 PM Reply	ah, classic pre Darwin statement
Post #388,164 by folkert 4/3/14 12:35:19 PM Reply	There goes that forced perspective thing again. -- greg@gregfolkert.net "No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
Post #388,171 by crazy 4/3/14 3:59:14 PM Reply	you do shots of booze that someone else spat out? Only to find out it was everclear? The 1st time you drank? Close to this. Inexperienced people should not do intoxicants of unknown strength that their idiot "friends" who also are inexperienced hand to them. I grant you that the cookie (or cookies, are we sure he only ate one?) might have a very large dose. Which in turn ups the possibility for poor/stupid behaviour. This type of behavior might cause extracts and edibles to be made illegal. Like my mom said after something got broke: That is why we can't have nice stuff.
Post #388,193 by crazy 4/4/14 7:28:23 AM Reply	1 down, 74,499 to go before your POV is worth anything http://www.nbcnews.c...d-us-deaths-year/ And since 38% of the us has already tried cannabis, and the deaths (even by stupity) are exceptionally rare, it is unlikely that legalization is going to help you reach this number. http://www.gallup.co...-changed-80s.aspx OK, happy, you got your reponse? Any other stupid remarks you need corrected?
Post #388,208 by Ashton 4/4/14 6:30:33 PM Reply	Hey Mike.. I have some sympathy for aspects of your POV I encounter similar hostility when invoking the (late -50s) concerns of physicist Wald, re. continuous low-levels of (nuclear) radiation--as well as, the not-yet knowable long-term effects of Brand New (to the species) less- or non-ionizing radiation: whether from cell-fones or via the now routine Overdoses via CATs, MRIs etc. The abject ignorance (about basic physics) of the Operators of X-ray and similar medico devices is Palpable: most of these 'technicians' aren't Really-clear about the difference between a Dosage-rate... and the accumulated Dose. Now THAT's the very-definition of BASIC knowledge. Try asking one: WHAT is the dosage (in RADS, Sieverts et al) you plan to administer? Don't even IMAGINE they could state the Energy (or spread of same) of the particles/wavicles creating this integrated Dosage ... at varying depths in human moist-ware. These are most-all: rote-operators, with little curiosity and even less earned knowledge of What they Do. Similarly--long-term--we possess no fucking 'algorithm' for measuring, let alone "relating" the brain- or attitude!- changes over habitual usage of (the rich alkaloid mixtures within various cannabis 'products'. And re so much Else.) No $$ alotted to Study. qed Except: some day, down-the-line, via mining the accumulated random data (collection of which today is Not mandated, correlated (and not-Only "because we don't know How to define 'significant'-impairment".) In the end though: People Take Drugs to escape an environment they deem, "as-is", is Unacceptable to their psyche. Were there No Effects--w.t.f. would Buy such substances? Alcohol's destruction is Sooo-well catalogued. And yet.. And yet.. for millions it remains Their Escape from an increasingly dysfunctional anti-'society' du jour. My bitching Won't result in 'technicians' having to Prove they Are "technically savvy", nor apply same requirements on MDs (so often barely sci-literate). And your bitching re pot is null/void to any wannabe Escapee from the shit-building hothouse of 2014 Murica and its inmates. (I buy the koan, Most people live lives of quiet desperation). In that 'state'--who is to say that a concomitant-Death-wish is not a merely sane attitude trade-off?! re. living "a liff?" in our sanctimonious ignorance-driven dystopia--especially as its Suckiness Quotient makes giant leaps, almost weekly.) Amirite? ..enough..? ..And yes, I manage to enjoy my alloted space/time, despite the active-work of tuning-Out the sights/sounds/neurasthenias of those deeply-immersed in 'commerce' and similar $-pursuits. Most money-obsessed-ones have far more daily-shit-to-eat than I; I guess I'm Richer than they? if ownership of one's time/events trumps fungible phony-money. 'Course, should I run out of 'specie' via the unexpected, amidst the free-fall deterioration occurring.. sooner? I be fucked, too. Crap shoot, as always. (I do appreciate that you can rarely disconnect to this degree--with any sorts of Dependents. The other Price of er, creating Immortality, say?) Carrion.. (sometimes that detritus is manufactured intra-body, via outside ignorant habits.) Ya don't have to Eat it to 'Ingest' it! ;^>
Post #388,214 by mmoffitt 4/5/14 9:19:18 AM Reply	Thanks. As concerns the lack of knowledge among those radiological technicians in the health care center, I must come to their defense if ever so slightly. Those folks typically attend a two year junior college. While they do have to take a semester of anatomy and physiology, that's about as rigorous a science curriculum as most will encounter. They are often taught little more than how to operate machines. While I'll concede that such a course of study in what I'd like to think of as a normal human consciousness would spark an interest in exactly why the machines work and through what methods, my 54 years on earth have demonstrated to me that what I would like to think is normal human consciousness, rationality and curiousity is far from the reality of the state of the species. (Aside: I've apparently had this view for a very long time. We recently unearthed a paper I'd written at the age of 25 on education. My conclusion read, in part, "Illich's call for a return to an educational system similar to the one incorporated by the early Greeks is most appealing to those of us who place a high value on education. ... I, however, remain unconvinced that society as a whole is interested in much more than having enough to eat and procreating." In the subsequent 29 years there hasn't been much to disuade me from the idea that I'd gotten it about right at 25.) No, most of those technicians are just making the rent, unconcerned with the implications of how they do that. But here I see a more sinister plot by not the technicians themselves, but of our idiotic idea that the delivery of healthcare should be a for-profit endeavor. Training a technician to the most limited set of skills possible means hospitals and laboratories can hire those techs at fractions of what it would cost to educate a scientist as to the priciples of operation and then train them how to operate the machines. A scientist would expect and deserve a higher salary. That would mean less for the now legally required not-contributing-but-still-demanding-a-profit crowd. That is something we simply cannot have in this country.
Post #388,238 by Ashton 4/5/14 7:52:39 PM Reply	Reapportionment of blame accepted. All-too-True, as you state. Don't blame the victim of Corporate-designed Serfdom; eliminate instead, the 0.001$ ---> 1%? 2%? 5% ??? I can sorta 'put-up with' the guaranteed oversimplifications of manufactured social-'Systems'--Ours, Theirs and many of the hypotheticals. We Are Machines (!?) much of waking hours and even with sane/informed employment of Language--we just cannot achieve the Making-of-Laws-without-Oversights. (Maybe why I decided in negative (when once asked..) Hmm, ever considered studying 'Law'? It would ever-be a Mare's Nest, even were a majority of bipeds sentient, adequately educated and Meaning-Well.. Hah!... Pity that the best of the religio-Philosophers (I mean: competent To Philosophize!) have been little-saner than the vast majority of Political-'analysts'. Du Any jour. (As to Econ-omists--I no words of opprobrium not already over-used.) So, we're Fucked--metaphysically speaking--via latent/natural on-Average-Incompetence. Can we survive.. ever to reach Adulthood? Damned if I have a Clue--but if 'past is prologue'? Well, you know.. I plan to Catch-up on long-deferred reading. So that I can die smugly-satisfied that I finally realize Why! ... Nothing.. could have been 'Done' :-0

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