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New First legal-pot related death reported in Colorado
http://www.rawstory....rted-in-colorado/

A Wyoming college student visiting Colorado on spring break is the first reported death related to the legal sale of recreational marijuana.

Levy Thamba, a student at Northwest College, fell to his death last month from the balcony of a Holiday Inn in Denver.

Autopsy results released Monday showed the 19-year-old Thamba, who was also known as Levi Thamba Pongi, died from multiple injuries caused by the fall.

But the coroner also listed “marijuana intoxication” from a pot-infused cookie as a significant contributor to the student’s death.

“He was fine, he was normal, he was an easy-going kid, and then he ate this cookie and went over the balcony, and this was not a kid who was suicidal,” said Michelle Weiss-Samaras, a spokeswoman for Denver’s Office of the Medical Examiner.

The autopsy findings showed the marijuana concentration in Thamba’s blood was 7.2 nanograms of active THC per milliliter of blood.

State law sets a standard of 5 nanograms per milliliter in impaired driving cases.

[...]


:-(

Cheers,
Scott.
New I call shenanagins
http://www.youtube.c...tch?v=RvK1F-Thrzk

Nope, not legal.

The student was too young to legally purchase marijuana under the law, and investigators have not said how he obtained it.
New Yep, it's hard to believe he thought he had superpowers.
Alex

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

-- Isaac Asimov
New ehh, that's reserved for the majors, ie:
LSD, shrooms, DMT, etc.

In this case, you got a kid who merely trips over his own feet, does a diver, and then people get to demonize whatever is in his system. Feel free, just don't pretend it is under the rubric of "legal" pot. If he was drunk, would someone say "legal" booze? No. So while were at it, how about we review number of deaths from falling while drunk. Hmmm.

Have fun:
https://www.google.c...uses+from+falling
New This seems to be the first story about what happened.
http://www.powelltri...l-at-denver-hotel

He died March 11 - he fell between 3 and 4 AM. It's curious that it's making news now - I guess it's related to the Coroner's report.

http://blogs.westwor..._death_denver.php has pictures from his Facebook page, etc.

http://kdvr.com/2014...ver-coroner-says/

The Denver County Coroner says while at the Holiday Inn at Stapleton, a friend of his took a bite of a marijuana cookie. She got sick from it.

Thamba then took a bite and when he didn’t get a reaction, he ate the whole cookie.

It was the first time the group had tried pot.

Friends say he started acting erratically, got upset and sick and ran out of their room—straight over the balcony inside the hotel.


Did it happen that way? Who knows. But I can picture it happening that way. He was scared and disoriented in a new place.

:-(

Cheers,
Scott.
New Where are the "No adverse effects" chants?
New In the mouth of your strawman
No one said "no adverse affects". What people have consistently said is that there are few to no documented case of death by overdose, and that the direct physical damage caused seems to be less severe than the damage caused by alcohol.

Of course people will do stupid things when intoxicated. Sometimes people doing stupid things will hurt or kill themselves. But pot use is less likely to contribute to aggression or violence than alcohol use, so the chance of injury to self or others is lower.

"less severe" != "none"
"less likely" != "impossible"
"lower" != "nonexistent"
--

Drew
New It is the SAME ADVERSE EFFECT as the Drink.
He didn't die from Overdose. He died from stupidity.

You still just can't see with out your forced perspective judgement clouding.
--
greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New Interesting.
He didn't die from Overdose.

So, the normal, expected effect is to become upset, erratic, sick and bolt out of a room and over a balcony to one's death? None of that happened because the kid had too much? Interesting.
New here, hold my beer
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New ah, classic pre Darwin statement
New There goes that forced perspective thing again.
--
greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New you do shots of booze that someone else spat out?
Only to find out it was everclear?
The 1st time you drank?
Close to this.
Inexperienced people should not do intoxicants of unknown strength that their idiot "friends" who also are inexperienced hand to them.

I grant you that the cookie (or cookies, are we sure he only ate one?) might have a very large dose. Which in turn ups the possibility for poor/stupid behaviour. This type of behavior might cause extracts and edibles to be made illegal.

Like my mom said after something got broke: That is why we can't have nice stuff.
New 1 down, 74,499 to go before your POV is worth anything
http://www.nbcnews.c...d-us-deaths-year/

And since 38% of the us has already tried cannabis, and the deaths (even by stupity) are exceptionally rare, it is unlikely that legalization is going to help you reach this number.

http://www.gallup.co...-changed-80s.aspx

OK, happy, you got your reponse?
Any other stupid remarks you need corrected?
New Hey Mike.. I have some sympathy for aspects of your POV
I encounter similar hostility when invoking the (late -50s) concerns of physicist Wald, re. continuous low-levels of (nuclear) radiation--as well as, the not-yet knowable
long-term effects of Brand New (to the species) less- or non-ionizing radiation: whether from cell-fones or via the now routine Overdoses via CATs, MRIs etc.

The abject ignorance (about basic physics) of the Operators of X-ray and similar medico devices is Palpable: most of these 'technicians' aren't Really-clear
about the difference between a Dosage-rate... and the accumulated Dose. Now THAT's the very-definition of BASIC knowledge.
Try asking one: WHAT is the dosage (in RADS, Sieverts et al) you plan to administer?
Don't even IMAGINE they could state the Energy (or spread of same) of the particles/wavicles creating this integrated Dosage ... at varying depths in human moist-ware.
These are most-all: rote-operators, with little curiosity and even less earned knowledge of What they Do.

Similarly--long-term--we possess no fucking 'algorithm' for measuring, let alone "relating" the brain- or attitude!- changes over habitual usage of
(the rich alkaloid mixtures within various cannabis 'products'. And re so much Else.) No $$ alotted to Study. qed
Except: some day, down-the-line, via mining the accumulated random data (collection of which today is Not mandated, correlated (and not-Only "because we don't know How to define 'significant'-impairment".)

In the end though: People Take Drugs to escape an environment they deem, "as-is", is Unacceptable to their psyche.
Were there No Effects--w.t.f. would Buy such substances?

Alcohol's destruction is Sooo-well catalogued. And yet.. And yet.. for millions it remains Their Escape from an increasingly dysfunctional anti-'society' du jour.
My bitching Won't result in 'technicians' having to Prove they Are "technically savvy", nor apply same requirements on MDs (so often barely sci-literate).
And your bitching re pot is null/void to any wannabe Escapee from the shit-building hothouse of 2014 Murica and its inmates.

(I buy the koan, Most people live lives of quiet desperation). In that 'state'--who is to say that a concomitant-Death-wish is not a merely sane attitude trade-off?!
re. living "a liff?" in our sanctimonious ignorance-driven dystopia--especially as its Suckiness Quotient makes giant leaps, almost weekly.)
Amirite? ..enough..?

..And yes, I manage to enjoy my alloted space/time, despite the active-work of tuning-Out the sights/sounds/neurasthenias of those deeply-immersed in 'commerce' and similar $-pursuits.
Most money-obsessed-ones have far more daily-shit-to-eat than I; I guess I'm Richer than they? if ownership of one's time/events trumps fungible phony-money.
'Course, should I run out of 'specie' via the unexpected, amidst the free-fall deterioration occurring.. sooner? I be fucked, too. Crap shoot, as always.
(I do appreciate that you can rarely disconnect to this degree--with any sorts of Dependents. The other Price of er, creating Immortality, say?)




Carrion.. (sometimes that detritus is manufactured intra-body, via outside ignorant habits.) Ya don't have to Eat it to 'Ingest' it! ;^>
New Thanks.
As concerns the lack of knowledge among those radiological technicians in the health care center, I must come to their defense if ever so slightly. Those folks typically attend a two year junior college. While they do have to take a semester of anatomy and physiology, that's about as rigorous a science curriculum as most will encounter. They are often taught little more than how to operate machines. While I'll concede that such a course of study in what I'd like to think of as a normal human consciousness would spark an interest in exactly why the machines work and through what methods, my 54 years on earth have demonstrated to me that what I would like to think is normal human consciousness, rationality and curiousity is far from the reality of the state of the species. (Aside: I've apparently had this view for a very long time. We recently unearthed a paper I'd written at the age of 25 on education. My conclusion read, in part, "Illich's call for a return to an educational system similar to the one incorporated by the early Greeks is most appealing to those of us who place a high value on education. ... I, however, remain unconvinced that society as a whole is interested in much more than having enough to eat and procreating." In the subsequent 29 years there hasn't been much to disuade me from the idea that I'd gotten it about right at 25.)

No, most of those technicians are just making the rent, unconcerned with the implications of how they do that. But here I see a more sinister plot by not the technicians themselves, but of our idiotic idea that the delivery of healthcare should be a for-profit endeavor. Training a technician to the most limited set of skills possible means hospitals and laboratories can hire those techs at fractions of what it would cost to educate a scientist as to the priciples of operation and then train them how to operate the machines. A scientist would expect and deserve a higher salary. That would mean less for the now legally required not-contributing-but-still-demanding-a-profit crowd. That is something we simply cannot have in this country.
New Reapportionment of blame accepted.
All-too-True, as you state. Don't blame the victim of Corporate-designed Serfdom; eliminate instead, the 0.001$ ---> 1%? 2%? 5% ???

I can sorta 'put-up with' the guaranteed oversimplifications of manufactured social-'Systems'--Ours, Theirs and many of the hypotheticals.
We Are Machines (!?) much of waking hours and even with sane/informed employment of Language--we just cannot achieve the Making-of-Laws-without-Oversights.

(Maybe why I decided in negative (when once asked..) Hmm, ever considered studying 'Law'?
It would ever-be a Mare's Nest, even were a majority of bipeds sentient, adequately educated and Meaning-Well..
Hah!...
Pity that the best of the religio-Philosophers (I mean: competent To Philosophize!) have been little-saner than the vast majority of Political-'analysts'.
Du Any jour. (As to Econ-omists--I no words of opprobrium not already over-used.)

So, we're Fucked--metaphysically speaking--via latent/natural on-Average-Incompetence.
Can we survive.. ever to reach Adulthood?

Damned if I have a Clue--but if 'past is prologue'? Well, you know..



I plan to Catch-up on long-deferred reading. So that I can die smugly-satisfied that I finally realize Why!
... Nothing.. could have been 'Done' :-0
New never said it
Did say no overdose, less other, little physical, etc.
Also, did say it can affect males under 25 in an undesirable fashion.
You ended up agreeing which much that I wrote.
In this case, it was an illegal transfer to someone under 21 which possibly contributed to a confused state that ended in death.
So prosecute the guy for manslaughter.
And burn down your straw man
Expand Edited by crazy April 3, 2014, 04:03:14 PM EDT
New Another angle on the whole enchilada..
http://www.salon.com...on_drugs_partner/


How NBC and our reactionary media perpetuate the war on drugs
Instead of asking tough questions, reporters tend to parrot conventional wisdom -- and ruin hope for real reform

MAIA SZALAVITZ, SUBSTANCE.COM

Journalists are no less likely to take drugs than anyone else—indeed, in my admittedly anecdotal experience, they’re morelikely to use. You’d think that this would make us especially skeptical both about federal policies that failed to prevent our own drug-taking and about extreme claims about drug users.

But the press may actually be one of the biggest obstacles to reform. Instead of asking tough questions, reporters tend to simply parrot conventional wisdom—and reinforce the idea that the drug war is the only way, even when drug warriors’ claims contradict the evidence of the writers’ own lives.

In the last month alone, we’ve seen several particularly egregious examples of mindless reporting—including one that is explicit in propping up longtime racist stereotypes about drug users. If we want better care—and, especially, less incarceration—for addicted people, we can’t just sit by while the media stirs up frequent drug panics. If we don’t challenge the stale formula that “crackdowns” are the best response to drug-related harm and that “typical drug addicts” are black, reform will remain marginal, at best.

Let’s examine the problem in some recent stories. Here’s NBC, in part of a network-wide series on heroin. In a lead-in to a video report headlined “Will the Rise of Heroin Mean the Fall of Pot?” (see the video below) the website says:

[. . .]



..and so it Goes in our innumerate, oft illiterate kultur.
First: killing all the lawyers.. again.. won't cut it either. List-of-One is just too short :-/
     First legal-pot related death reported in Colorado - (Another Scott) - (18)
         I call shenanagins - (crazy) - (3)
             Yep, it's hard to believe he thought he had superpowers. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                 ehh, that's reserved for the majors, ie: - (crazy)
                 This seems to be the first story about what happened. - (Another Scott)
         Where are the "No adverse effects" chants? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (12)
             In the mouth of your strawman - (drook)
             It is the SAME ADVERSE EFFECT as the Drink. - (folkert) - (9)
                 Interesting. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                     here, hold my beer -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                         ah, classic pre Darwin statement -NT - (crazy)
                     There goes that forced perspective thing again. -NT - (folkert)
                     you do shots of booze that someone else spat out? - (crazy)
                     1 down, 74,499 to go before your POV is worth anything - (crazy)
                     Hey Mike.. I have some sympathy for aspects of your POV - (Ashton) - (2)
                         Thanks. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                             Reapportionment of blame accepted. - (Ashton)
             never said it - (crazy)
         Another angle on the whole enchilada.. - (Ashton)

Satire is now officially dead. It died from laughing too hard and choking on its own vomit.
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