The NPR podcast was quite good.

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Post #387,931 by a6l6e6x 3/26/14 1:27:30 PM Reply	The NPR podcast was quite good. My only beef is that the professor low-balled the number death in the early 1930's famine in Ukraine. It was in the 7-8 million range or over twice what she said. Alex ÂThere is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.Â -- Isaac Asimov
Post #387,932 by drook 3/26/14 1:51:57 PM Reply	Honest disagreement or obfuscation? What I mean is, are there multiple reasonable estimates with a wide range and she used the low one, or is she quoting official numbers that intentionally understate the reality? -- Drew
Post #387,946 by a6l6e6x 3/26/14 6:00:30 PM Reply	There are no official numbers. Officially there was no famine. Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor Alex ÂThere is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.Â -- Isaac Asimov
Post #387,951 by drook 3/26/14 7:45:20 PM Reply	I wouldn't claim Wikipedia as authoritative source, but ... That confirms my suspicion that she was using the lowest "acceptable" estimate. No matter what number she had used, people on one side or the other would feel she was playing politics. Off-topic: "Holodomor" sounds like something from Lord of the Rings. -- Drew
Post #387,982 by a6l6e6x 3/27/14 12:44:50 PM Reply	OT: "Holod" is the word for hunger. Alex ÂThere is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.Â -- Isaac Asimov
Post #418,092 by mmoffitt 5/11/17 9:15:29 AM 5/11/17 9:15:29 AM Reply	"famine" тоже, нет? bcnu, Mikem It's mourning in America again.
Post #418,102 by a6l6e6x 5/11/17 2:48:57 PM 5/11/17 2:48:57 PM Reply	да, тоже Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #418,090 by CRConrad 5/11/17 6:05:39 AM 5/11/17 6:05:39 AM Reply	Also, and perhaps more aptly, sounds like something else that begins with Holo- No, not hologram or holodeck.

The Russian view. - (mmoffitt) - (15) - March 21, 2014, 09:33:37 AM EDT

Will get a-round-tuit anon; meanwhile.. - (Ashton) - March 21, 2014, 05:25:15 PM EDT

What about this? - (dmcarls) - (2) - March 22, 2014, 11:13:22 PM EDT

finally a real sanction, glad the president stepped up -NT - (boxley) - March 23, 2014, 12:21:58 AM EDT

Well, given that top-oligarchs give allegiance to no one.. - (Ashton) - March 23, 2014, 12:43:54 AM EDT

Hold on.. The Alaska View has emerged.. + Terry Gross today - (Ashton) - (10) - March 26, 2014, 03:30:27 AM EDT

Thanks for the Fresh Air episode pointer. Bookmarked. -NT - (Another Scott) - March 26, 2014, 06:52:11 AM EDT

much of the bush Alaska doesnt have ready access - (boxley) - March 26, 2014, 08:46:05 AM EDT

The NPR podcast was quite good. - (a6l6e6x) - (7) - March 26, 2014, 01:27:30 PM EDT

Honest disagreement or obfuscation? - (drook) - (6) - March 26, 2014, 01:51:57 PM EDT

There are no official numbers. - (a6l6e6x) - (5) - March 26, 2014, 06:00:30 PM EDT

I wouldn't claim Wikipedia as authoritative source, but ... - (drook) - (4) - March 26, 2014, 07:45:20 PM EDT

OT: "Holod" is the word for hunger. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - March 27, 2014, 12:44:50 PM EDT

"famine" тоже, нет? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - May 11, 2017, 09:15:29 AM EDT

да, тоже -NT - (a6l6e6x) - May 11, 2017, 02:48:57 PM EDT

Also, and perhaps more aptly, sounds like something else that begins with Holo- -NT - (CRConrad) - May 11, 2017, 06:05:39 AM EDT

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