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New So... when did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual?
If it is a choice... then when did you choose to be a heterosexual?

Come now, scared to answer it?

It's ok, we all know your answer. You just have to tell the truth.
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greg@gregfolkert.net
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." --Stanislaw Jerzy Lec
New This is my last on this, and only because I like you & Scott
Holding that homosexuality is not provably based upon biology is not the same as saying it's a choice. I do not now, nor have I ever believed it was a choice. I believe it is most likely biologically based and multi-gene. I also believe that in 1973, well before the mapping of the human genome, we cut off a line of inquiry forever that might have helped solve the riddle. In today's political climate, who is going to dare ask for funding for a study of the genes responsible for mental illness among homosexuals? What if the interactions between those genes and others give rise to homosexuality? We'll never know because we deferred to a "vote" based upon the study of 30 individuals. If it is the case that homosexuality is related to mental illness, we'll never know it because we've chosen willful blindness.
New What's the hypothesis, here?
Before you go off and study the genes responsible for mental illness in a homosexual population, what would attract you to this line of investigation?

There's no riddle. Some people like crazy buttsecks, or drinking from the furry cup. Some people don't. We is what we is.

What would you do with the answer if you got one? Tell all those poor gays that it's OK, they're just insane in the brain?

You might just as profitably investigate why some colonial weirdos like Vegemite and Superior Imperial Beings prefer Marmite.

And finally: if it's not a choice, why do you advocate discriminating on the basis of it?
New Re: what would attract you to this line of investigation?
Because it was once classified as a mental illness. Having it striken from the list of diagnoses had absolutely nothing to do with science.
New exactly,
same as being lefthanded is no longer considered a mental illness. Should have left it in for more study
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
New Um.
Somebody did continue study: http://www.medicalne...ticles/267047.php
New So you want to check whether it still is a mental illness?
New If we must keep this up, new thread please?
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Drew
New Because if it an illness, it might be fixable or prevented
Normal vs not normal line of thought gets him in trouble.

But if it is an illness, he can claim he simply wants sick people to get better as a rationalization for simply wanting to oppress those that make him uncomfortable.

Here, I'll run with it. There are all kinds of genetic variations that may end up being harmful to the individual, while being beneficial to the population at large. Like sickle cell anemia, which protects against malaria.

In this case (the "gay" gene (or groupings which tend toward it)), a portion of the population has ended up with genes that may be individually harmful (assholes abuse them because they carry this trait), while also being beneficial to society in general (it allows the rest of us to identify the assholes).


New New. Thread. Please.
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Drew
     No one here I know of agrees with me on this. - (mmoffitt) - (176)
         Public accommodations laws. - (Another Scott) - (23)
             Are we really that weak? - (mmoffitt) - (22)
                 won't sell to blacks natives and rceaga - (boxley) - (14)
                     And don't forget suspected commies! -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (1)
                         Actually, I'd be okay with that. - (mmoffitt)
                     Nope. Thanks for herring. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                         either you are a public establishment or a key club - (boxley) - (10)
                             Dupe - ignore. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                             I don't think flowers and cakes for weddings rise that high. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                 So it's a different in magnitude, not kind? -NT - (malraux) - (7)
                                     I don't think so. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                         If they stick to the... - (folkert) - (4)
                                             You mean ... - (drook) - (1)
                                                 Yes... - (folkert)
                                             The baker may have. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 These people are ignorant fools. - (folkert)
                                         Hmm, nope. - (malraux)
                 What's wrong with treating people equally? - (Another Scott) - (6)
                     I guess the difference for me was the purpose. - (mmoffitt) - (5)
                         yeah, like shoving that handicapped thing in your face - (boxley) - (3)
                             How many handicapped persons got married at the Grammy's? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                 how many handicapped at the grammies? :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                     There are some mentally challenged! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                         Homosexuality *is* normal, you doofus. - (pwhysall)
         Replace the word "gay" with "black" and see how it flies - (pwhysall) - (5)
             Nice try. Assumes facts not in evidence. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                 Incorrect. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                     In public institutions, no. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                         They're not private if they're public. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             What about if the door sign is posted... - (folkert)
         Of course, the Arizona business community has . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
         Here's the probolem (goining meta) - (drook) - (8)
             Unpossible!!11 -NT - (Another Scott)
             Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                 Is it ok for a waiter in a restaurant to refuse a request? - (crazy) - (5)
                     That's not the case here. Here's a better analogy. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                         and your answer is? -NT - (crazy) - (3)
                             I'm not a fan of Compulsory Participation in Rituals. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                 It is not a ritual. - (folkert)
                                 Who invited participation? - (crazy)
         Judge's ruling. - (Another Scott) - (21)
             Their argument was weak. But so was the judge's. - (mmoffitt) - (20)
                 No. It compels them to treat them like any other customer. - (Another Scott) - (19)
                     That's a little disingenous. - (mmoffitt) - (18)
                         Please enumerate all the services that represent endorsement - (drook) - (9)
                             There's a reason why I didn't take the bait. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                 Why? - (drook) - (7)
                                     10%? Update your stats. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                         Another half-step back - (drook) - (1)
                                             Bzzzzt. Wrong. - (mmoffitt)
                                         Try again. - (malraux) - (3)
                                             Good catch. Well said. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                             They did, however, - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 Already covered that. - (malraux)
                         Having a business isn't a right. - (Another Scott) - (7)
                             But Free Speech is. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                 Lots of "speech" is restricted for businesses. - (Another Scott)
                                 why would you have a problem with that? - (boxley) - (3)
                                     Is it the Buddhists that had it the same way? I forget. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                         no, it was the nazi's that flipped it -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                             Ah. Thanks! -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                 "No. I do not want to participate in that." FULL STOP - (folkert)
         Gotta give him credit - (rcareaga) - (20)
             Re: Gotta give him credit - (pwhysall) - (19)
                 You must be new here? -NT - (scoenye) - (2)
                     rofl! -NT - (Another Scott)
                     as AS puts it... - (folkert)
                 Actually, he does have a rational viewpoint - (crazy) - (15)
                     So... that is what they call it... - (folkert) - (9)
                         Unnatural? - (crazy) - (8)
                             No... - (folkert) - (7)
                                 To close to reality, but not - (crazy) - (6)
                                     Well... - (folkert) - (5)
                                         ok, I can accept that - (crazy) - (4)
                                             So you're light in the loafers -NT - (drook) - (3)
                                                 I wish - (crazy) - (1)
                                                     Re: I wish - (pwhysall)
                                                 Re: So you're light in the loafers - (rcareaga)
                     The Slate piece is larger in Scale than this smaller topic. - (Ashton) - (4)
                         If I have such a bias, I am unaware of it. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                             Re: "a business oriented problem" - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                                 Indeed. :0) - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                     Who (first) said..? "The people is an ass." - (Ashton)
         And this is why people FIGHT with you on the issue - (crazy) - (1)
             Yup. Also... - (Another Scott)
         I'm going to try a different tack - (pwhysall) - (16)
             I don't think it contributes, but I don't think it detracts. - (mmoffitt) - (15)
                 again, let's do that 100% valid thought experiment - (pwhysall) - (14)
                     Don't get hung up on "normal". - (mmoffitt) - (13)
                         nonsense - (pwhysall) - (12)
                             Normal is the wrong word. - (mmoffitt) - (11)
                                 Blue eyes are "atypical". Being over 2 meters tall is also. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                                     Sigh. The erosion of rights troubles me. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                         Businesses . are . different. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                             Weddings.Are.Not.People. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                 (One more thing) Read the judge's decision again. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                     42. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                 then maybe find a profession that does not serve the public? - (boxley) - (4)
                                     No, that is NOT okay. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                         what if 2 gay men went in? I would assume the same reaction - (boxley) - (2)
                                             It isn't. I never said it was. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 Oh... - (folkert)
         Plan C - (pwhysall) - (1)
             Unpossible!!11 - (Another Scott)
         Sullivan(!) puts mmoffitt's case a bit more cogently - (rcareaga) - (7)
             Re: Sullivan(!) puts mmoffitt's case a bit more cogently - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 I'm sorry Monsiur, we are booked -NT - (boxley)
                 I'm actually susceptible to the argument that - (rcareaga)
             Thanks. - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                 Here's another gobbet of raw meat - (rcareaga) - (2)
                     Er, what? - (mmoffitt)
                     lrpd that last sentence -NT - (boxley)
         how about a slightly different twist - (boxley) - (1)
             see 386792 - (folkert)
         Even Republicans backing out. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
             I think that's due more to the threat of a loss of business. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                 Good. Let them lose the superbowl. -NT - (crazy)
         I've reviewed this whole damn thread again - (rcareaga) - (5)
             Deep in the closet - (crazy) - (4)
                 too easy - (rcareaga) - (3)
                     awww, dammit - (crazy) - (1)
                         Hey! I'm 'old' too, mofo - (Ashton)
                     It's not a phobia. - (mmoffitt)
         mmoffitt! Georgia agrees with you! - (rcareaga) - (47)
             Jeez, they're missing a whole new Enemy to persecute-- - (Ashton) - (1)
                 that taint news -NT - (boxley)
             No, they don't. I thought I'd made this clear. - (mmoffitt) - (42)
                 "I am opposed to wholesale discrimination." - (crazy) - (41)
                     I am not surprised. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (40)
                         Well, that's what it is. -NT - (pwhysall) - (39)
                             I may not agree with you. - (mmoffitt) - (38)
                                 You don't have to agree - - (pwhysall) - (37)
                                     The general form of that ... - (drook)
                                     Again with the misstatement of my position. - (mmoffitt) - (33)
                                         That may be your position - (malraux) - (4)
                                             Then he has an indefensible position. And THANK YOU! - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                 El dupo. -NT - (malraux) - (1)
                                                 That's your problem in this thread - (malraux) - (1)
                                                     -999,999 for me for clarity then. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                         Conflation of SSM with Klan and Neo-Nazi rallies? - (pwhysall) - (26)
                                             Reductio ad absurdum. - (mmoffitt) - (25)
                                                 Whatever. - (pwhysall) - (24)
                                                     Nitpick much? Substitute a Crips or Bloods rally then. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (23)
                                                         Re: Nitpick much? Substitute a Crips or Bloods rally then. - (pwhysall) - (22)
                                                             Okay, so I assumed something not proven, but likely. - (mmoffitt) - (21)
                                                                 The second reply to you in this thread pointed that out - (drook) - (20)
                                                                     It's not the same thing. - (mmoffitt) - (19)
                                                                         Stanford study from 1995. - (Another Scott) - (15)
                                                                             Read the follow-up studies over the past 20 years. - (mmoffitt) - (14)
                                                                                 Point me to a cite, please. - (Another Scott) - (13)
                                                                                     That's not how that works. - (mmoffitt) - (12)
                                                                                         Eh? - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                                             thats the prove there is no gawd argument :-) -NT - (boxley)
                                                                                         So... when did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? - (folkert) - (9)
                                                                                             This is my last on this, and only because I like you & Scott - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                                                                                 What's the hypothesis, here? - (pwhysall) - (7)
                                                                                                     Re: what would attract you to this line of investigation? - (mmoffitt) - (3)
                                                                                                         exactly, - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                                             Um. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                                         So you want to check whether it still is a mental illness? -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                                                                     If we must keep this up, new thread please? -NT - (drook)
                                                                                                     Because if it an illness, it might be fixable or prevented - (crazy) - (1)
                                                                                                         New. Thread. Please. -NT - (drook)
                                                                         So, when did you choose to be Hetero-Sexual? -NT - (folkert)
                                                                         Either way, it doesn't matter. - (malraux) - (1)
                                                                             Concur. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                         I think I get your position - (boxley)
                                     Well, we could be the Flat Earth Society! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                         Flat? FLAT? Everyone knows it's hyperbolic saddle-shaped! -NT - (pwhysall)
             well, there goes the gay black men convention in Atlanta -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 Then ... let them eat cake! - (Ashton)
         Arizona Governor Vetoes Bill on Refusal of Service to Gays - (Ashton)
         Story behind the AZ (and other states) bill - (Another Scott) - (2)
             So every judge is now a member of the clergy ... OK -NT - (drook)
             Thanks ~~what I'd imagined: textbook religio-anarchy. Again. -NT - (Ashton)
         You got a buddy - (crazy)

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