Post #386,814
2/24/14 9:14:00 PM
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Sullivan(!) puts mmoffitt's case a bit more cogently
...than he does. I can see the sense in this argument without signing on to the notion that bigotry should enjoy legal protection: I would never want to coerce any fundamentalist to provide services for my wedding  or anything else for that matter  if it made them in any way uncomfortable. The idea of suing these businesses to force them to provide services they are clearly uncomfortable providing is anathema to me. I think it should be repellent to the gay rights movement as well.
The truth is: weÂre winning this argument. WeÂve made the compelling moral case that gay citizens should be treated no differently by their government than straight citizens. And the world has shifted dramatically in our direction. Inevitably, many fundamentalist Christians and Orthodox Jews and many Muslims feel threatened and bewildered by such change and feel that it inchoately affects their religious convictions. I think theyÂre mistaken  but weÂre not talking logic here. WeÂre talking religious conviction. My view is that in a free and live-and-let-live society, we should give them space. The rest is here:
http://dish.andrewsu...kson-has-a-point/
cordially,
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Post #386,815
2/24/14 9:18:10 PM
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Re: Sullivan(!) puts mmoffitt's case a bit more cogently
Then all they have to do is say "sorry, can't" with no explanation given.
Y'know, in exactly the same way they'd do if they just didn't like your face.
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Post #386,819
2/24/14 9:46:09 PM
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I'm sorry Monsiur, we are booked
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
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Post #386,824
2/24/14 10:26:52 PM
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I'm actually susceptible to the argument that
"we're winning." I'm old enough to have been reflexively comfortable with homophobic contempt all through high school, although I only briefly, and early on, had occasion to express this: there was a gay hanger-on in a circle of friends I abandoned after half a year—the poor fellow had to endure routine insults as a condition of sitting below the salt. I can accordingly comprehend, if distantly—working in San Francisco for nearly four decades has largely reset those early prejudices—the squick factor that looms so large in the perceptions of our contemporary homophobes. I think we do better to bypass those hills than to take them: the old attitudes will eventually die there, and will perish feeling increasingly lonely and embittered.
cordially,
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Post #386,827
2/25/14 8:33:56 AM
2/25/14 8:40:38 AM
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Thanks.
The "coersion to participate in gay weddings" is no more and no less offensive to me than "coersion to participate" in any religious ritual. From my POV, they're are the same animal.
Edit:
Aside: The air of superiority in your quote is of the same stripe as the air of superiority expressed by Xians when they claim they'll go to heaven while us sinners will go to hell. The embrace of "gay rights" is evolving into a religion of its own. Believers are superior, opponents and/or agnostics and/or people who don't care one way or the other are luddites soon to die off - which is what needs be done.
Edited by mmoffitt
Feb. 25, 2014, 08:36:56 AM EST
Edited by mmoffitt
Feb. 25, 2014, 08:40:38 AM EST
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Post #386,851
2/25/14 12:26:28 PM
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Here's another gobbet of raw meat
...for your necklace: Washington lobbyist Jack Burkman on Monday said he is preparing legislation that would ban gay athletes from joining the National Football League.
Burkman in a statement said he has garnered political support for the bill, though his statement didnÂt mention any specific lawmakers who are behind it.
ÂWe are losing our decency as a nation, Burkman said in a statement. "Imagine your son being forced to shower with a gay man. ThatÂs a horrifying prospect for every mom in the country. What in the world has this nation come to?Â
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ÂIf the NFL has no morals and no values, then Congress must find values for it, Burkman said. http://thehill.com/b...ban-gays-from-nfl
First they came for the florists and I said nothing, for I have allergies. Then they came for the bakers and confectioners and I said nothing, for I am gluten-intolerant. Then they came for the offensive line, and I was offended.
cordially,
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Post #386,861
2/25/14 1:15:49 PM
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Er, what?
Not on the same slope, not in the same mountain range, not even the same continent.
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Post #386,869
2/25/14 1:32:14 PM
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lrpd that last sentence
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
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