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Post #382,400 by boxley 10/19/13 6:58:58 PM 10/19/13 7:02:29 PM Reply	from your quote Under his proposal, states that put in place a basic health plan for all of their citizens would get access to what he calls "affordable choice grants." universal basic health for all would include prior conditions and come closer to universal health care that what we have now. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep Edited by boxley Oct. 19, 2013, 07:02:29 PM EDT from your quote Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep Collapse All History
Post #382,402 by drook 10/19/13 7:13:49 PM Reply	So it would have been up to the states And we see how well that's working. Thanks for confirming there was no plan with a reasonable expectation of leading to better coverage. -- Drew
Post #382,425 by boxley 10/20/13 6:46:39 PM Reply	So it would have been up to the states So is the well poobah'ed expansion of medicare that others so loudly trumpet as a gleaming bastion of Obama's healthcare plan. No different which is why many states turned it down because they could see the money supply dropping off in the future. Exactly the same plan but a democrat put it on the table so the democrats voted for it this time. Could have had the same thing under shrub, the usual first we are for it, then we are against it that ALL sides play in DC As far as leaving it up to the states, tell me how many Health Insurance companies operate outside of state lines and are federal? Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #382,426 by drook 10/20/13 6:48:28 PM Reply	What happens when the states decline? What happened under Bush's plan? -- Drew
Post #382,428 by boxley 10/20/13 6:50:34 PM Reply	Same as happened under Obama's plan, the same thing Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #382,431 by Another Scott 10/20/13 8:32:38 PM Reply	You're taking the feel-good words at face value. http://money.cnn.com...posal_effect/#not Who might not be affected much if at all by the deduction? Many low-income and uninsured people. According to Treasury Department and White House estimates, the proposal would reduce the number of uninsured by 3 million to 5 million people. That number is low relative to the total number of uninsured (over 46 million) for two reasons primarily: - 43 percent of the uninsured have no income tax liability, according to Kaiser Family Foundation. But they would still get a payroll tax credit on the wages they earn if they buy health insurance. - Many uninsured still won't be able to afford coverage even with the new deduction. (More than 50 percent of the uninsured are in the 15 percent tax bracket or less). Others won't want to part with the cost of insurance premiums up front, even though they'll get it back on their tax return. To provide more of the uninsured with coverage, President Bush is also proposing the Affordable Choices Initiative. Although details are still sketchy, the program would offer funding to states that reform their insurance market so as to provide affordable basic coverage for all. The federal funds would be redirected from other programs to help states subsidize coverage for low-income people. So, no new money for more-universal coverage. Unsurprisingly, the program would have done almost nothing to expand coverage. The part of the program that was fleshed out won't help 43% of those without insurance. The part that would supposedly help those who don't earn enough for the tax break to help is left as a magic asterisk. Some TBD "funding for our program with the nice name" to the states is exactly the same as expanded Medicaid eligibility. Yeah, it was just as good as Obamacare. To think we could have had that years ago!!111 <sigh> Cheers, Scott.

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