Their phone business anyway.
http://www.nytimes.c...okia.html?hp&_r=0
More despiration on Balmer's part before he exits? Nokia deciding to throw in the towel? Brilliant move? Too little too late?
Dunno.
Cheers,
Scott.
A true Windows phone likely coming: MS is buying Nokia
Their phone business anyway.
http://www.nytimes.c...okia.html?hp&_r=0 More despiration on Balmer's part before he exits? Nokia deciding to throw in the towel? Brilliant move? Too little too late? Dunno. Cheers, Scott. |
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It's a smart move, I think.
We have seen that the only company currently capable of executing on the "Whole Device" is Apple.
Samsung can't do software, so they make stellar hardware and put Android and TouchWiz on it. Ditto HTC, ditto Sony. Google can't do hardware (Nexus Q roflcopter), hence their acquisition of Motorola Mobility. BlackBerry can't do hardware or software any more, hence they're going down the crapper. Nokia are legendary for not being able to deliver software - oh hell, they can write it. Boy, can they write it. Lots of it. All incompatible and doing the same thing, and in development hell. Three incompatible GUI toolkits for Meego, anyone? MS kindasorta can do hardware. Their input devices are well regarded. The Surface Pro is expensive but good. The RT is a bit of a curate's egg, and would have done much better at half the price. But what they can't do is mobile phones, and Nokia really can do that. This is MS's play for The Whole Device. It's hard to see what alternative course of action was available, given the goal. |
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Too little too late.
No other phone manufacturer would use MS software.
And they'll have to build an iTunes infrastructure equivalent. What's the chance they'll get that better or right? They're grasping at straws hoping it's a lifeline. The chasm lies below. Alex
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{{Whew}} ... for a bit there, I feared that
maybe Ballmer wouldn't have his epaulets ripped off, saber broken and be drummed out of the Kiddie corps?
Thanks for restoring my faith in The Chasm (it's also good that it's deep enough to accommodate a number of other eligible homo-saps: by definition. :-) But even that earned denouement for Ballmer can't save the planet from the scourge of Doze.. right away. :-/ Thousands shall sleep a little better tonight, just for knowing that dll-Hell shall someday be seen only in a museum.. not on your phone. : oTpy |
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I prefer theirs to itunes
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Already done
HTC and Samsung have already produced Windows phones, although they'll be going "fuck that noise" right now, no doubt.
XBox Music already exists and has a bigger (100% bigger) catalogue than iTunes, does streaming, unlimited downloads for the duration of the subscription, cloud matching (like iTunes Match), yadda yadda. MS have the technology and the infrastructure, right now, and it's as good or better than Apple's. It's whether they've got the savvy to actually sell it to normal people that is in question. |
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Your last point is the most important.
I'll agree that Microsoft has done a good job of putting in the pieces and putting them together.
I'll agree that much of those pieces are as good or equal to anything Apple or Google have. I'll also agree than at this point, Microsoft has more money than sense to throw at these kinds of things and also do have many of the pieces in good shape to take on something like this with ease. The thing though, that even if Microsoft were to hire the same exact people or agencies or marketing firms or what not... at this point, they are still seriously under the impression that they matter. In reality they don't at the moment. They have to put together a complete package that avoids the landmines they have placed before themselves in years past. For example Zune (even though it was a nice piece of kit)... for example previous versions Windows Phone... for example "Plays For Sure"... to name just a few related bad experiences Microsoft forced customers to endure and not really "care" since they thought they were untouchable and immune. Also recently Microsoft, flailing trying to figure out how to steer the ship with the wind, rather than against it and tearing down the sails and then rowing. Yes, it is a monumental challenge to bring the entire set of Fiefdoms into alignment and to help the company bring its "Vision" back. Then *SELL* that "Vision" and not back bite the customers that actually adopt it, like it has continually done over the years. --
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Felix: There is 0 demand for another phone OS.
http://blogs.reuters...icrosoft-edition/
Guy English has already characterized BallmerÂs disastrous reorganization as a straitjacket for the next CEO; adding on a mobile phone business that Microsoft probably should abandon is like attaching an anchor to said straitjacket and tossing the patient into the ocean. It will be that much more difficult for the next CEO to look at Windows Phone rationally. He sorta thinks they're doomed. ;-) He overstates the case a little (Apple wasn't first in smart phones; Elop was only at MS for a couple of years before going to Nokia; etc.), but I think the general tone is right. It's hard to see what Nokia is going to bring to MS that will give them a significant future (50 MP phones? Samsung can do the same thing anytime they want. Little animated boxes on the phone's main screen? Yawn.) MS still thinks they are entitled to 100% of every market they want to be in. They still haven't recognized yet that the rest of the world learned from the OS Wars and the Word Processor Wars and the Database Wars and the Programming Tool Wars - you don't tie your company's future to MS if you want to survive. That's why their Search and Advertising and TV and Phone and Music Player and Cable TV and Subscription Software and ... efforts have been poorly accepted. Lots of smart people work at MS, and they can make good stuff on occasion. But they need to change their culture in dealing with their customers and the rest of the world. It may take breaking up the OS / Office / Networking / Database / Game / Online / Phone / etc. groups into separate companies or something to let them all shine. Dunno. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elop#Career Elop was a director of consulting for Lotus Development Corporation before becoming CIO for Boston Chicken in 1992,[8][9] which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1998.[10] In the same year, he joined Macromedia's Web/IT department[9] and worked at the company for seven years,[11] where he held several senior positions, including CEO from January 2005[12] for three months before their acquisition by Adobe Systems was announced in April 2005.[5][13] Man, he fell up on to that fast-track, huh?!? If he's the next CEO, it's hard for me to see him making MS into a behemoth again - maybe he'll break the company up and collect a huge windfall in the process. Dunno... FWIW. Cheers, Scott. |
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There's a way.
They turn the problem over to the XBox boys and girls. MS has *never* owned the gaming space - but they are a presence now and the people who ran the XBox division at the start made it happen. However, this solution does require that all the other moving parts (OS, Office, hardware...) would have to kowtow to the ex-XBox people for it to work. Otherwise it won't.
Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
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thats the plan
I did mention that OS and applications should have a chinese wall between them and why but thats not gonna happen
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Lots of people are claiming they'll never buy an XBone
Dunno. I'm not a gamer myself, but they seem to have pissed a lot of people off with the always-connected, Kinect-spying noises (even if they've backtracked on them). Dunno.
Here's hoping the PS4 is a hit for Sony. They need something strong to survive a little longer. Cheers, Scott. |
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Oh the PS4 will be a great hit...
If not immediately.
The Playstation has always had lackluster roll out sales. Mainly because Sony makes it a biatch to program for until people learn it. The techniques they learn make the PS2 live as long as it did, were also applied to the original XBOX. The PS4 will probably out sell anything XBOX for a long time again. What is that you say: Nintendo? I dunno the the Wii-U seems to be a flop. --
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Sony have in some ways succeeded despite themselves.
With the original Playstation, Sony was up against a Sega who was imploding and a Nintendo who were hard to work with. It wasn't a lay-down misère, but it might've been. SCEI was in many ways the opposite of Nintento and developers loved it.
The PS2 was up against the newcomer Microsoft. Sony nearly stumbled a few times because Sony Corporate, having let SCEI create this big success with the PSX, could not resist putting their fingers in the mix this time. I suspect knowing that MS were copying with the Xbox what Sony did with the PSX probably saved them as they knew the playbook. The PS3 and the Xbox 360 were simply More Of The Same. With Nintendo going out of step and then trying to change the rules with their innovative controller, MS and Sony had a partial duopoly. They might've both been in a lot more trouble if Nintento had released the Wii at roughy the same time as the PS3 and Xbox 360. They would've definitely been in trouble if Nintendo had gone for HD and the next-gen graphics instead of just a mild upgrade. The PS4 and the XBone are mostly a great big upgrade from their predecessors. I've seen game footage of the PS4 and the graphics engine is quite a lot better than the PS3 and the PS3 is pretty good. Plus MS stumbled badly with the "always on" thing and the Kinect. Sony knew better. That will help their reputation quite a lot. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
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I understood that the PS3 almost killed Sony.
They thought that the blue lasers were going to be easier to perfect than they ended up being, so yields were low and costs were high in their BluRay players that were one of the big selling-points of the box. ("Buy this inexpensive game machine and get a free Blu-Ray player!")
The Cell processors were a big risk for them, too. I think it's great that Sony was willing to push the technology and take risks like that. The hardware behind PS4 and XBone seems to be much more conventional (even if the graphics performance, etc., is much higher than the predecessors). It'll be interesting to see if they're as popular as the earlier boxes. I'm tempted to look into one mainly for the mediaplayer aspects (we haven't even downloaded any TV shows yet even though we've got Amazon Prime). We're paying over $200 a month for cable TV and internet and it's tempting to find ways to cut that expense down some... Or maybe a Chromecast dongle, or ... But I'm often on the trailing edge of technology now - the hep cats probably do everything on their phones now, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were canceled 3 months after we bought one. ;-) Thanks. Cheers, Scott. |
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Oh yes. I was going to mention that.
The PS2 was timed nearly perfectly for DVD, but the PS3 was about a year early technologically speaking. They took a bit of a bath and it was a huge gamble, but they've come out of it doing not too bad. I think Sony Corporate learnt to let SCEI just do what they're good at.
Sony and MS have been pretty pro-active in making their gaming network work. I think it helps that download only games have started appearing that are good enough to win significant awards (Journey comes to mind). I use a PS3 for DVD and BluRay playing as well as the games, but I have a MythTV for DVB, catch-up TV (iView usually) and Youtube. Sony did make a DVR add-on for the PS3 but it seems to have vanished from the market. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
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Lots of those people are lying...
...because they'll want the next Halo game.
Or Forza 5, which will be better than GT6 - much like Forza 4 ended up being much better than GT5. Mainly because Turn 10 remembered that racing games are supposed to be games and therefore should have some element of fun. I may get one, but it will depend on whether the media features are a sufficiently large jump from those on the 360. I don't play many games on my 360, although Netflix and the XBox Music stuff get a lot of action. |
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Re: A true Windows phone likely coming: MS is buying Nokia
The Joy of Tech
http://www.joyoftech...rchives/1896.html "Pictures are better then words because some words are big and hard to understand"
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ROFLCOPTER!
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It's p-p-petrified p-p-p-latypus! ... p-p-erhaps?
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It's been in the works for years
When the X ms guy (x - not a chance) showed up to be in charge, killed all the Linux development, and released the burning platform memo which tanked current sales as people waited to see if the company would survive, he sealed it's fate. Decline for a while, accept outside cash, decline some more, be bought and owned by MS.
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Sounds so simple--now
but is it possible that anyone in this industry remains unaware of the--not probability, but--certainty of the fate of anyone 'partnering' with Redmond?
And how more disdainful (of any Redmond concern for say, 'peer perception'?) could it get: when they bring back their Plant to a --screw the corner office: likely a whole new fucking Building for the perp to rule. I.T. seems to have won the Lead Ingot as the most-corrupt bizness within the most-corrupt general bizness enviro since ... the Borgias? ('Course anything to do with Finance has always got to be at least: a massive competitor for that Award.) Does that mean that the combo [IT-re financial 'transactions']--now beats out all of the above? |