wrong, as noted in many places, brown was not discussed

Post #378,066 by boxley 7/15/13 8:44:23 AM Reply	wrong, as noted in many places, brown was not discussed by the prosecution at all. In florida you have no obligation to back away from a confrontation, unless you are the aggressor. In that case it is YOUR duty to back out of the situation. Stand your ground is a completely defensive law. In other words, if you get out of your truck after the cops tell you to leave it alone, you need to run away when the scary black man punches you, not shoot him. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #378,083 by drook 7/15/13 11:37:51 AM Reply	Not wrong The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who: ... (2) *Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless: (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger* of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; I highlighted the relevant parts. You can't claim self-defense if you initiated it *UNLESS* ... well, damn near anything that comes after the "unless" makes this law bullshit. You can start a fight, and if you're losing bad enough you can shoot the other guy. -- Drew
Post #378,095 by Ashton 7/15/13 4:03:14 PM Reply	At this point in the post-trial necropsy.. does anyone care to estimate the odds of the 'Stand Your Ground' ""law"" being bumped to the USSC--soon?--a bit later?? (Whereby we may get to plumb the depths of where the Gang-of-Five really stand? on a variety of visceral issues/outrages --and maybe many other aspects of this isolated \| simultaneously sanctimonious and crass, quarrelsome quintet.) Law above fear, justice above law, mercy above justice, love above all. HAH!! . . . in. your. dreams.
Post #378,102 by mmoffitt 7/15/13 5:02:02 PM Reply	Do you really think they'd hear it? I don't think so. The majority on this court doesn't understand that an injudicious placement of an ellipsis can obliterate meaning (as in "... the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"). Particularly when no heed is paid to stare decisis. See, "Private Ownership of Firearms" is a new "right" this crowd of toddlers invented. And in so doing they said "States can regulate, but not deny [SIC] private firearm ownership rights." So, imnsho, this group of short-bus justices would decide that the "Stand Your Ground" law is a State matter.
Post #378,104 by Ashton 7/15/13 5:13:42 PM Reply	As they are 100.0% insulated from all inputs.. you are likely right--but there's always Chance--essentially all we can count on from this lot. (When Sandra Day O'C retired, to take care of her very-ailing husband {laudatory, of course} ... and then he died very shortly thereafter: I thought-out-loud: Let. no. good. deed. go. unPunished.) We are the Punished. Until one or more of these suckers crashes his Mercedes. Law above fear, justice above law, mercy above justice, love above all.
Post #378,112 by boxley 7/15/13 8:06:11 PM Reply	staring meanly at us vs miller doesn't do a thing for you. That would have been tossed on an appeal Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #378,135 by mmoffitt 7/16/13 9:56:53 AM Reply	Miller doesn't hold anymore. In our Brave New World, whether or not the firearm in question "has some reasonable relationship" to the regulation of a State militia is irrelevant. Hell, we may as well adopt the NRA's version of Amendment Two and start it off, as they do, with an ellipsis.

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