I await with trepidation

Post #37,704 by Silverlock 5/6/02 10:47:51 PM Reply	I await with trepidation The day Brandiich/Kahsim ever admits to an error, let alone an admission of strawmanning. I have followed this group for many more years than I contributed. I may be wrong, but I will wager money that Brandi has never made the proviso I did at the beginning of this sentance. Can't remember a single time that the possiblity of a mistaken assumption was ever acknowledged. I will readily admit that Brandi has an effective debate style (more like an attack style), but after who knows how many years (10/15?) of following this gruop of malcontents, I honestly never remember Brandi ever admitting to a mistake, a wrong interpratation or even an incorrect inference. Admit it Bran/Khas, you have an argumentative defect. You can not acknowledge another's point as sound (in the precise logical sense of the word) without a rebuttle of some smaller portion of the opponents argument. This is, of course, quite effective as a depating tactic. But aren't debating tactics a bit over the top? Don't blame me. I voted with the majority.
Post #37,712 by Mike 5/7/02 12:03:55 AM 5/7/02 12:27:56 AM Reply	Thanks for the info ...I didn't know Brandi was Khasim :-) >>This is, of course, quite effective as a debating tactic. I'm not so sure. I mean christ...... [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=37680\|Link ] >>#5. Yes, I do believe that Mike lies. Why discuss/debate with someone who lies? I mean this is pretty weak stuff...isn't it? Would this pass muster in ANY academic/professional setting? I don't think so. Maybe that's not what the expectations are here...not really sure. I like to learn from the people here. (I've said before that more neuron-firing goes on in here than in my entire company.....okay perhaps a bit unfair). But it seems that to maximise learning...you have to drop the concept of "WINNING" as the yardstick which measures all contributions. If your sole (or primary) goal is to find your opponent's weakest argument, or assign one to him, I'm inclined to think that learning is suspended. (Yeah been a culprit). -- William Shatner's Trousers -- Edited by Mike May 7, 2002, 12:05:09 AM EDT Edited by Mike May 7, 2002, 12:25:43 AM EDT Edited by Mike May 7, 2002, 12:27:56 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #37,722 by Brandioch 5/7/02 1:49:16 AM Reply	The secret is knowing what you know. Can't remember a single time that the possiblity of a mistaken assumption was ever acknowledged. That's because I tend to skip discussions that I'm not informed about. When I lack sufficient facts, I will attempt to gather them. As in the discussion here. Admit it Bran/Khas, you have an argumentative defect. You can not acknowledge another's point as sound (in the precise logical sense of the word) without a rebuttle of some smaller portion of the opponents argument. Actually, I usually do that by not commenting on the post in the first place. Such as your Islam post in this forum. I don't see any problems in your reasoning so I don't comment on it. If I see a glaring error or if I need more clarification/criteria, I will seek that. Which is what this entire thread has been about. Re-read my first few posts to confirm that.
Post #37,745 by Mike 5/7/02 9:14:37 AM Reply	Re: The secret is knowing what you know. >>If I see a glaring error or if I need more clarification/criteria, >>I will seek that. Bollocks. Your technique is ...... 1) Raise a scenario which is problematic for the persons position. 2) Get the person to EITHER defend the scenario OR acknowledge that you have committed a coup. 3) If scenario appears to fail.......extend scenario or replace with new scenario. You don't start off with "could you clarify something because I may have misunderstood........". If someone says "I don't think I would have been traumatized at 15 with a sexy schoolmistress" and you follow that with a) "so you think its okay for adults to fuck children"? b) "so you think its okay for 15 year old boys to fuck 30 year old men"? I mean....you're not really in a discovery process here ..... are you? You are being entirely to kind to yourself. -- William Shatner's Trousers --

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