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Post #376,323 by danreck 6/12/13 11:49:34 AM Reply	Help in verifying All, Just got an email from a friend in NY who wanted me to see the following short videoÂ http://www.youtube.c...&feature=youtu.be I haven't had a chance to check the veracity of the source, etcÂ but was disturbed by the content. Not pro blue or red but definitely anti-civilized. Just a few, Dan
Post #376,324 by Andrew Grygus 6/12/13 12:32:05 PM Reply	You didn't already know this? Given the distribution, our politicians can't afford to work for anyone below the top 10% - so don't expect any help from them.
Post #376,331 by folkert 6/12/13 1:45:17 PM Reply	seen this already, here even ... watch out for Box's response. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #376,333 by boxley 6/12/13 2:18:30 PM Reply	check it when I get home Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #376,339 by mmoffitt 6/12/13 4:16:57 PM Reply	You may also like (or not) Here's a finding that would have made for great occupy sign last year: American income inequality may be more severe today than it was way back in 1774 -- even if you factor in slavery. That stat's not actually as crazy (or demoralizing) as it sounds, but it might upend some of the old wisdom about our country's economic heritage. The conclusion comes to us from an newly updated study by professors Peter Lindert of the University of California - Davis and Jeffrey Williamson of Harvard. Scraping together data from an array of historical resources, the duo have written a fascinating exploration of early American incomes, arguing that, on the eve of the Revolutionary War, wealth was distributed more evenly across the 13 colonies than anywhere else in the world that we have record of. Suffice to say, times have changed. http://www.theatlant...s-in-1774/262537/ Here's some more info from 2010: http://www2.ucsc.edu...power/wealth.html
Post #376,341 by boxley 6/12/13 4:37:00 PM Reply	I remember examining Andy Jackson's accounting journals when I was in Nashville. The man was slave poor. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #376,343 by mmoffitt 6/12/13 4:42:33 PM Reply	As were most Southerners.
Post #376,344 by boxley 6/12/13 5:29:54 PM Reply	As were most Slave Owning Southerners. FIFY Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #376,358 by mmoffitt 6/12/13 9:29:48 PM Reply	Huh? Most Southerners were "slave poor" because most Southerners didn't own slaves. You had to be fairly fricking wealthy (by most Southerner's standards) to own even one slave.
Post #376,360 by drook 6/12/13 9:36:36 PM Reply	What I think he meant When I hear the term "house poor" I understand it to mean the owner doesn't have liquidity because all their money is tied up in too much house. So I assumed "slave poor" meant he couldn't afford anything else after paying upkeep on the slaves. Which obviously only happens if you have slaves. -- Drew
Post #376,364 by boxley 6/12/13 11:08:26 PM Reply	you got it all of his capital was in slaves, he could not afford to free them because of debt but he was taxed at a ridiculous rate because of his personal property so to speak. A nasty conundrum. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #376,370 by mmoffitt 6/13/13 8:48:20 AM Reply	Ah. Thanks. Was thinking something else. Like "I'm time poor" means "I don't have any time."
Post #376,640 by Another Scott 6/20/13 7:54:15 PM Reply	Things changed quickly shortly thereafter... Jackson died in 1845 - near a local minimum in the total estimated value of slaves. Take a gander at the graph in TNC's post today: http://www.theatlant...he-slaves/277073/ Perhaps this is too crude an interpretation but the graph above, measuring the incredible rise in the wealth represented by the pilfering of black labor, tracks directly with the political debate. When slaves were worth only a cool $300 million, property in man was an "unhappy influence." When that number skyrocketed in excess of $3 billion, suddenly it was a "positive good." Cheers, Scott.
Post #376,646 by boxley 6/20/13 8:43:50 PM Reply	he also had to pay an annual property tax on these folks, it was what was keeping him poor Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #376,353 by Another Scott 6/12/13 7:40:55 PM Reply	The BBC broadcast a good series: "Why Poverty?". I only saw a couple, but they've got a YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/user/WhyPoverty Well worth a watch. "Poor Us" is a good (and short) introduction. Cheers, Scott.
Post #376,354 by boxley 6/12/13 7:58:05 PM Reply	so, rich people own more than you thought? and they get richer because they force american tax payers to borrow money and give it to them since they own the printing presses and they already got everything else we own(ed). Somehow folks want us to think that the government is going to help them. Go figure Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 58 years. meep
Post #376,355 by Andrew Grygus 6/12/13 8:06:22 PM Reply	Government will do nothing . . . . . because it is a wholly owned subsidiary of the 1%. Who do you get to vote for in elections? Rich people and their lawyers. You don't have any other choices.
Post #376,359 by mmoffitt 6/12/13 9:30:57 PM Reply	s/1/0.1/
Post #376,367 by folkert 6/13/13 1:49:31 AM Reply	Re: s/1/0.1/ s/1/0.1/g FIFY. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C

Help in verifying - (danreck) - (18) - June 12, 2013, 11:49:34 AM EDT

You didn't already know this? - (Andrew Grygus) - June 12, 2013, 12:32:05 PM EDT

seen this already, here even ... - (folkert) - June 12, 2013, 01:45:17 PM EDT

check it when I get home -NT - (boxley) - June 12, 2013, 02:18:30 PM EDT

You may also like (or not) - (mmoffitt) - (9) - June 12, 2013, 04:16:57 PM EDT

I remember examining Andy Jackson's accounting journals - (boxley) - (8) - June 12, 2013, 04:37:00 PM EDT

As were most Southerners. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (5) - June 12, 2013, 04:42:33 PM EDT

As were most Slave Owning Southerners. FIFY -NT - (boxley) - (4) - June 12, 2013, 05:29:54 PM EDT

Huh? - (mmoffitt) - (3) - June 12, 2013, 09:29:48 PM EDT

What I think he meant - (drook) - (2) - June 12, 2013, 09:36:36 PM EDT

you got it - (boxley) - June 12, 2013, 11:08:26 PM EDT

Ah. Thanks. Was thinking something else. - (mmoffitt) - June 13, 2013, 08:48:20 AM EDT

Things changed quickly shortly thereafter... - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 20, 2013, 07:54:15 PM EDT

he also had to pay an annual property tax - (boxley) - June 20, 2013, 08:43:50 PM EDT

The BBC broadcast a good series: "Why Poverty?". - (Another Scott) - June 12, 2013, 07:40:55 PM EDT

so, rich people own more than you thought? - (boxley) - (3) - June 12, 2013, 07:58:05 PM EDT

Government will do nothing . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 12, 2013, 08:06:22 PM EDT

s/1/0.1/ -NT - (mmoffitt) - (1) - June 12, 2013, 09:30:57 PM EDT

Re: s/1/0.1/ - (folkert) - June 13, 2013, 01:49:31 AM EDT

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