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New Re: Yeahbut...
Yes, people charged with crimes should get speedy trials.

Yeah, that's the law, at least on one of our levels of law. I'm aware we have one standard of law for the ruling class and another for the ruled, but do we have a third standard for political convenience?
And people captured "on the battle field" should have speedy hearings to determine whether they are POWs or illegal enemy combatants or civilians or soldiers or whatever.
Ignoring the vacuous claim that the whole world is a battlefield, this is a very tiny fraction of them. A much larger percentage were grabbed because of vague accusations or were sold to us by warlords who had an ax to grind. If they're not active military personnel, they're criminals at worst, possibly innocent bystanders. Charge 'em or cut them loose.
Congress deliberately made it impossible to do so without its consent.
Heh... must the be politically inexpedient version of the rule of law. They won't fund transportation? Obama is still the CIC of the military. Put them on a military transport and put them back where they got them. We got them from a barbarous place where people will be mean to them if we put them back? The mean people are not under our rule(s) of law; we can't do anything about them and if we can't obey our laws, why should they obey laws they don't have? If it's such a rotten place, can we get OUR people the hell out of there?
I agree that our legislative branch are a collective bunch of corrupt shitheads and they're our fault because we elected them. They are not all powerful though. They control the purse strings and and block legislation. They can also bloviate on Fox news shows. They can't keep the president from saying "General, send a transport from local base [x] to Guantanamo, put prisoners [a1..an] on it and take them back to place(s) [x1..xn] where we got them and release them with their possessions if we kept them. Do it now." The CIC bit does work with the military. Let congress try to defund the military. That would be fun to watch.
The presidency is touted to be the most powerful position in the world. Obama is acting like he needs permission to go to the bathroom. Considering the lethargy he proceeds with and the alacrity with which he accepts refusal, I have to assume he is getting what he wants. Nobody really believes that the poor fellow is less useful than a margarine dildo.
New It's fine when Congress cut off funding for the Contras, but
in this case the President can ignore it?

If Congress says, Mr. President, you can't spend money on X, then he can't spend money on X. Since everything the President does costs money, it's saying he can't do X. End of story.

It's the same thing as during the Iran/Contra times.

From December 2011:
http://www.foreignaf...-close-guantanamo

Congress has used its spending oversight authority both to forbid the White House from financing trials of Guantánamo captives on U.S. soil and to block the acquisition of a state prison in Illinois to hold captives currently held in Cuba who would not be put on trial -- a sort of Guantánamo North. The current defense bill now before Congress not only reinforces these restrictions but moves to mandate military detention for most future al Qaeda cases unless the president signs a waiver. The White House withdrew a veto threat on the eve of likely passage Wednesday, saying the latest language gives the executive enough wiggle room to avoid military custody.

On paper, at least, the Obama administration would be set to release almost half the current captives at Guantánamo. The 2009 Task Force Review concluded that about 80 of the 171 detainees now held at Guantánamo could be let go if their home country was stable enough to help resettle them or if a foreign country could safely give them a new start...


(The article ends there unless you register.)

I don't like this "the entire world is a battlefield" stuff. I don't like people being held without trial. I don't like the implicit argument that "we can't try the ones who were tortured because the evidence is tainted (and it would be embarrassing) so we have to hold them forever" - if we can't try them, let them go. Keep and eye on them and arrest them properly if they break the law in the future.

We agree on much, I think, but we don't agree that Obama can run roughshod over Congress under the AUMF. We didn't like it when Bush did it, did we? Few things are clearer about Congress's power than the power of the purse.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Move them to Bagram, turn bagram over to ahfgans
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New Interesting.
Dunno why they haven't done that.

AFAICS, only Afghans have been sent from Gitmo to Afghanistan - http://en.wikipedia....amo_Bay_detainees - though some countries have accepted non-nationals.

Cheers,
Scott.
     Charlie Pierce: Club Gitmo. - (Another Scott) - (13)
         Re:Gitmo. - (a6l6e6x) - (9)
             Yeah,, as months / now Years ... pass and ... pass ... - (Ashton)
             Promises, promises - (dmcarls) - (1)
                 Wait just a minute here . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             What todo? Hmmm... - (hnick) - (5)
                 Yeahbut... - (Another Scott) - (4)
                     Re: Yeahbut... - (hnick) - (3)
                         It's fine when Congress cut off funding for the Contras, but - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             Move them to Bagram, turn bagram over to ahfgans -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                 Interesting. - (Another Scott)
         'What's Really Cook'n in Gitmo?' - (Andrew Grygus)
         On my calendar today ... - (drook) - (1)
             Almost rhymes with (an earlier Murican koan) - (Ashton)

He makes Murphy look like a babbling optimist.
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