Post #368,826
12/31/12 1:05:14 PM
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Rumors of "Fiscal Cliff" deal. Obummer to speak at 1:30 ET.
http://www.calculate...l-cliff-deal.html
I wondered why the stock markets jumped up around 12:45 PM (but has since fallen back) - http://www.google.co...&authuser=1&hl=en
Doesn't sound too great to me, but the devil's in the details. And it's not like Ezra Klein hasn't been wrong before...
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #368,827
12/31/12 1:13:34 PM
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livable if accurate
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Post #368,831
12/31/12 1:42:21 PM
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NYTimes has live feed. Starts in 2 minutes.
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Post #368,834
12/31/12 1:55:50 PM
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No deal yet. Future deficit reductions to require taxes.
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Post #368,838
12/31/12 2:18:49 PM
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Does that sentence require the word "future"? I think not
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Post #368,840
12/31/12 2:31:15 PM
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that line is from George Washington
Future deficit reductions
is so popular it has been used by every succeeding administration
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Post #368,842
12/31/12 2:51:17 PM
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The kabuki is proceeding flawlessly...
Nothing to see yet. There has to be a lot more drama and posturing before they announce exactly how they are going to screw the lesser citizens. The script was written before the play started. I'm not waiting for developing events, just check occasionally to see if they released the details yet.
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Post #368,852
12/31/12 4:10:22 PM
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Shibaraku!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibaraku
The climactic moment of this short work takes place when a goodly samurai is being assaulted by a number of villains. Kagemasa shouts "Shibaraku!" (Stop a moment!) loudly from behind a curtain (agemaku) and then steps out onto the hanamichi (a raised platform extending through the audience to the stage) in magnificent costume and makeup. Arriving at the stage, he sits on a stool (aibiki) and, in a special kind of monologue called tsurane, explains his story. He then drives the villains off [...]
Obama as Kagemasa. I like that.
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who still expects no deal before January 1. But who wouldn't be surprised if the deadline were extended slightly.)
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Post #368,855
12/31/12 4:38:54 PM
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more bukaki than kabuki
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Post #368,872
12/31/12 10:57:52 PM
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"And don't tell me it's raining" right?
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Post #368,876
1/1/13 2:46:35 AM
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(Why always so preoccupied with something to eat?)
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Post #368,880
1/1/13 9:02:10 AM
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/me shudders...
YOU SO BAD!
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Post #368,884
1/1/13 10:58:16 AM
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naw, reference was to lousy porn instead of great theater
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Post #368,875
1/1/13 2:42:32 AM
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Not-quite homonyms: Kagemusha
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080979/
Kurosawa yet.. (Literally "Shadow Warrior" IIRC ... not a bad appellation for BHO, either!)
a.k.a. er, *cough*
It's ALL Theatre!
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Post #368,856
12/31/12 5:11:15 PM
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Merry Cliffmas!
http://www.washingto...whimper042112.php
It appears the fiscal deal between the White House and Senate Republicans will stick. But since the House is not scheduling a vote for tonight no matter what the Senate does, making it certain those Âfiscal cliff countdown clocks hit zero, making a tax increase a tax cut, thereÂs no particular reason to expect the Senate to vote today, either.
And more significantly, the payroll tax cut that prevailed the last two years will expire for real, probably never to be seen again, and the Âsequester will apparently go into effect without even a temporary extension since the negotiators couldnÂt agree on whether to offset the costs of a two-month delay.
The payroll tax inaction, BTW, means that it really wonÂt be possible for anyone to claim Washington avoided a middle-class tax increase by reaching a Âtax deal.Â
Beyond all that, as everyone is noting, the dynamics of the current deal, and its ultimate consequences, depend almost entirely on whether the White House and congressional Democrats hang very tough on the debt limit negotiations, and particularly ObamaÂs clear line today that additional revenues will have to accompany spending cuts in that deal. If Obama has in effect given away his leverage on taxes to secure relatively small GOP concessions on Âstimulus (the unemployment extension and the EITC, child care credit, tuition credit, and alternative energy credit extenders), itÂs not a great deal. If heÂs willing to go to the mats for a debt limit increase without big spending concessions, it might be acceptable to progressives.
The issue thatÂs still hanging out there right now is the immediate fate of the sequestrations, and their political significance is complex. On the one hand, if the sequestrations take effect, they could have a negative effect on the economy. On the other, taking them off the table even for a while could eliminate another leverage point for Obama, given how frantic most Republicans are to insulate the Pentagon and defense contractors from harm.
If Boehner really does refuse to call the House back tonight, there's no sense in either the House or Senate voting before the new Congress starts on January 3. Given all the swearing-ins, Committee assignments, etc., etc., nothing happening before the week of the 14th doesn't seem unreasonable.
IOW, don't expect this to be resolved in the next couple of days.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #368,857
12/31/12 6:07:40 PM
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Re: Merry Cliffmas!
didnt expect the payroll tax to continue, that is stealing from me personally :-)
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Post #368,896
1/1/13 9:43:37 PM
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House approved the rules for the vote. Vote to start soon.
It looks like it'll pass easily, if the vote follows the vote on the rules.
C-Span has the video.
http://www.c-span.or...ll/10737436933-4/
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #368,901
1/1/13 10:59:19 PM
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Done deal now!
Alex
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Post #368,903
1/1/13 11:13:44 PM
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Yup.
More Republicans voted No than Yes.
Boehner wasn't in the chair during the debate - people kept referring to "Mr. Chairman" rather than "Mr. Speaker". I don't know if he was there during the vote.
257:167
In the House 85 Republicans and 172 Democrats voted for the bill, while 151 Republicans and 16 Democrats voted against the bill.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #368,908
1/2/13 1:05:35 AM
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Roll call.
http://clerk.house.g.../2012/roll659.xml
(via a comment at BoomanTribune)
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #368,917
1/2/13 10:02:24 AM
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Not a single Independent voted for it.
/me smirks
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