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Post #366,378
by lincoln
11/16/12 5:16:05 PM
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New more facts here
http://mediamatters....-to-scapeg/191440




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
Post #366,389
by folkert
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11/16/12 6:59:18 PM
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New Thanks.
Not exactly everything I remember, but a lot that I'd forgotten about also.

I had close ties with Wonder Bread and Hostess in the 90s and still have friends that currently "work" there.

They've been ticked off about how both the Unions (especially the Teamsters) and Hostess Executive all made blunders of all blunders.

Hostess was taken over by Non-Baking industry execs and that in conjunction with the economy downturn starting in about 2004/5 just made Hostess do one bad decision with another and another and another.

Execs sent in the Bean counters and forced Vendors to drop prices or be threatened with things like Chinese flour being purchased at much lower cost per ton. ADM and Cargill didn't much like that. So it got to also be a pissing match.

Hence, Hostess went continuously downhill.
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     Hostess brand to shut down - (jay) - (18) - Nov. 16, 2012, 10:25:38 AM EST
         damn, better hustle and get me some wonderbread -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2012, 10:31:02 AM EST
             Never fear... - (folkert) - Nov. 16, 2012, 10:55:20 AM EST
         Re: Hostess brand to shut down - (lincoln) - (7) - Nov. 16, 2012, 11:08:58 AM EST
             If those are the same raises I recall... - (folkert) - (6) - Nov. 16, 2012, 12:19:51 PM EST
                 more facts here - (lincoln) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2012, 05:16:05 PM EST
                     Thanks. - (folkert) - Nov. 16, 2012, 06:59:18 PM EST
                 RE: executive raises - (lincoln) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2012, 05:50:00 PM EST
                     That isn't including... - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2012, 07:00:54 PM EST
                         Single Jpeg summary. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2012, 08:54:43 AM EST
                             Nice. -NT - (folkert) - Nov. 17, 2012, 03:07:07 PM EST
         Oh! This is a disaster. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2012, 12:59:23 PM EST
             The Texas State Fair Commission is in emergency session -NT - (drook) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2012, 01:09:16 PM EST
                 Republic of Texas Fair Commission is in emergency session - (folkert) - Nov. 16, 2012, 01:18:57 PM EST
         Re: Hostess brand to shut down - (lincoln) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2012, 01:49:45 PM EST
             making crap that the entire world tells you is bad - (boxley) - Nov. 16, 2012, 02:03:31 PM EST
         Driftglass: All of this has happened before. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 17, 2012, 06:55:45 PM EST
         Salon's take: 'Vulture capitalism--not unions--killed - (Ashton) - Nov. 21, 2012, 01:04:29 AM EST
         We've seen this so many times before - (lincoln) - Nov. 21, 2012, 10:35:15 AM EST

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