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New petition for Rand (and others) to sign
https://petitions.wh...vernment/1wrvtngl
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New Ambivalence...
I'd miss New Orleans, or at least the Quarter. But then, I've not been there for 15 years or so, and don't know if I ever will again.
Hmmm... I suppose if passage through the Mississippi is uncontested, I'm up for letting them go. They might take better care of the everglades than congress is willing to. They have enough oil to be self sufficient. I suppose it could work...
On the other paw, the yahoos I've encountered outside the quarter could probably fuck up a beach party. Could be fun to watch.
New Bob wins the Intertubes.
http://www.balloon-j.../#comment-3961713

78 JustAnotherBob Says:

@Howard Beale IV:
Louisiana 7358 out of 4,574,836 have signed the petition.

That’s 0.16%.

I suspect a higher percentage of Louisianians named Bubba had intimate relationships with Bud longneck bottles in the last 48 hours.

November 11th, 2012 at 9:05 pm


Cheers,
Scott.
New 1,$s/bubba/boudroux/g
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New The Texas petition is almost up to 40K
https://petitions.wh...vernment/BmdWCP8B
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New better move back home ASAP
wouldn't want to be trapped in the new country of Goodhairistan.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New yeah, especially with your spanish skills
esta bilette verde gringo?
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New yeah, especially with my spanish skills spelling error
esta bilette verde gringo?
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Expand Edited by boxley Nov. 12, 2012, 08:54:49 PM EST
New Sure thing...
They sure can secede.

Just be ready to do ALL that is entailed in being a Foreign Government. ALL OF IT.

None of this "Oh damn... we are hit by a Hurricane and are completely damaged and can't help anyone out" crap.

Be prepared to pay for your own defense and Border keeping from Mexico.

Also be prepared to keep the drugs funneling through Texas that goes to MANY other states... *IN* Texas.
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New Secede or don't, what's this permission BS?
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Drew
New Re: petition for Rand (and others) to sign

Luckily for all of us, our progressive neighbor to the north, Canada, has a solution. A number of reports surfaced post-election that Canada is offering up a deal to Conservatives in America who just can’t handle an America governed by Barack Obama. So far these reports have yet to go beyond internet rumor and have not been confirmed by the Canadian government, but given that actual facts bear little significance in their worldview, there’s some buzz that some Conservatives are already looking into this refuge offer as an alternative to secession and another Civil War.

According to this so-called deal for disgruntled Americans, Canada is opening up its northern-most province of Nunavut to anyone from the states who just can’t stomach another four years of President Obama’s ruthless, tyrannical, moderate rule. Each immigrant will receive 40 acres of land conveniently located near open water. And Canada is also generously offering a used snowmobile and a sled to any newcomers as well.

There’s no doubt that life in Nunavut, fending for yourself without any help from the Nanny State, will take some getting used to, especially for those Southerners who hail from states that receive far more government benefits than they pay in tax revenue. Not to mention, the weather is a bit different in Nunavut than it is in Florida.

But the weather woes shouldn’t last too long. Global warming could soon turn it into a climate like today’s New York – and it may only take a generation or three.

And hopefully a deal can be worked out between the new oligarchs of Nunavut and the Canadian government to absolutely make sure that the horrors of single-payer healthcare, which all Canadians have access to, never cross the border into that new Libertarian refuge in the Arctic.

I think this is the best solution for all. The Conservatives get their freedom from President Obama, while progressives still here in the United States find an electorate much more receptive to their ideas.

And thanks to one local Fox News station in Oklahoma, soon-to-be secessionists now know the easiest way to make it Canada without getting stuck in traffic. Let’s wish them well.



http://truth-out.org...as-a-home-for-you




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New typical canadians
offering up land they don't own to people they want to fleece.
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New dupe ignore
offering up land they don't own to people they want to fleece.
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Expand Edited by boxley Nov. 13, 2012, 08:58:59 PM EST
New The Confederacy of Takers

President Obama’s opponents have unwittingly come up with a brilliant plan to avoid the “fiscal cliff.” They want to secede from the union.

If Obama were serious about being a good steward of the nation’s finances, he’d let them.

[...]

Red states receive, on average, far more from the federal government in expenditures than they pay in taxes. The balance is the opposite in blue states. The secession petitions, therefore, give the opportunity to create what would be, in a fiscal sense, a far more perfect union.

Among those states with large numbers of petitioners asking out: Louisiana (more than 28,000 signatures at midday Tuesday), which gets about $1.45 in federal largess for every $1 it pays in taxes; Alabama (more than 20,000 signatures), which takes $1.71 for every $1 it puts in; South Carolina (26,000), which takes $1.38 for its dollar; and Missouri (22,000), which takes $1.29 for its dollar.

[...]

Possibly, the new United States would need to negotiate certain protectorates in the Confederacy — Austin, New Orleans, South Florida and the like — the way the British did in Hong Kong. Then there is the awkward matter of what the breakaway nation would do to its poor.

But once the handout states left the union (and took with them a proportionate share of the federal debt), the rest of the country could enjoy lower taxes and the high level of government service typical of the Northeast, the Great Lakes and the West Coast.

There would also be non-financial benefits. Tampa’s Central Command, now caught up in the David Petraeus sex scandal, would be the new nation’s problem. And the exit of several Southern representatives from Congress would give Democrats a solid governing majority.

Of course, secession isn’t as easy or as painless as an electronic petition, and Obama couldn’t offer a redress of these petitioners’ grievances even if he wanted to. Nor should he want to: The Union of the Makers would be fiscally healthy but spiritually poor without the Confederacy of the Takers.



http://www.washingto...tory.html?hpid=z2




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New Petition at WH.gov to deport everyone who signed.
https://petitions.wh...-america/dmQl1bXL

Heh.

(via http://www.balloon-j...political-update/ )

Cheers,
Scott.
New deport them to a blue state?
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New No...
To another country like Somalia.
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New deport is the opposite of port they arrived already on board
so may be deported to the same place. Perhaps the word you are looking for is banishment
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New Austin has petitioned to remain part of USA
That would be like Berlin during the Cold War.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New Sounds good to me!
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greg@gregfolkert.net
PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05
Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
New Secessionists will hurt healthcare in their states

Already a number of Republican governors are dealing with pressure from hard right constituents to resist implementing Obamacare as much as they can, particularly focusing on refusing to set up state exchanges on the presumption that doing so will overwhelm the federal government and stall out the new law. Some of them suggested that they're on board with this plan, but right now, it looks like most are getting cold feet, except Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, who claims he's going to refuse to create the exchange this week. States also have to decide if they're going to accept the Medicaid expansion, which the Alabama governor has refused alongside the state exchange.

The former Confederate states already perform poorly on many measures of citizen's health compared to other states, and this kind of ideological posturing about "states rights" can't help. Women and children will likely suffer the most, as is customary in these kinds of situations. Just this morning, Mississippi yet again topped the list of states with high infant mortality, with over nine babies per 1,000 dying before their first birthday. The teen pregnancy rate seems to drift upwards as you move south, as does the unplanned pregnancy rate. Both are associated with higher negative health outcomes for both mothers and children. Guess it's easy for these conservative governors to preen about states rights, when it's someone else who will be paying the price for their ideology.



http://www.slate.com..._health_care.html




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New Wonkette on AL secession petition starter.
http://wonkette.com/...his-nudie-carwash

Lots of red-blooded US Merkins love America so much they want to LEAVE IT (because Kenyan Mooslim Sharia Oppression and such). But one such patriot is a little more interesting! Sup, guy who started Alabama’s secession petition Derrick Belcher, 45, of “Chuncula”? “Blah blah libertarianism, RON PAUL!!!1!, freedom, not-racist, hard-working, etc.” Oh yes, here it is:

[... I won't spoil it ...]


Rofl.

Cheers,
Scott.
New And who was president in 2001?
but it's the current president's fault.

What a douchebag.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New heard on NPR yesterday
that someone was starting a petition that anyone who signed a petition to secede be stripped of their American citizenship.

Hey, it's no worse than anyone else's petition, and probably better because what the signers of the secession petitions are demanding is treasonous.





"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New following the constitution is now treason? good to know
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 57 years. meep
New breaking away from the USA is against the constitution
got decided back in 1865 by the Civil War.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New Re: breaking away from the USA is against the constitution
you want to show what part of the constitution that is in? They were afraid to let a judge look at that in 1865
http://www.encyclope...nment#start_entry

The defendant demanded a trial as the best forum for proving the constitutionality of secession, and the government requested numerous delays to prepare its case. Although the indictment was finished in March 1868, the Johnson impeachment further delayed the case. The court finally heard preliminary motions in December 1868, when the defense asked for a dismissal claiming that the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution already punished Davis by preventing him from holding public office in the future and that further prosecution and punishment would violate the double jeopardy restriction of the Fifth Amendment. The court divided in its official opinion and certified the question to the United States Supreme Court. Fearing the court would rule in favor of Davis, Johnson released an amnesty proclamation on December 25, 1868, issuing a pardon to all persons who had participated in the rebellion.
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New Texas v. White, 1869
The Articles of Confederation called the union created "perpetual". The Constitution replaced the Articles in order to create "a more perfect Union".

Chief Justice Salmon Chase in the decision:

The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?


As a result, the southern states never actually seceded. They just rebelled.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Excellent. Thanks.
New you sure you want THAT case?
In this latter sense, the word seems to be used in the clause which provides that the United States shall guarantee to every State in the Union a Republican form of government
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New FIFY.
In this latter sense the word seems to be used in the clause which provides that the United States shall guarantee to every State in the Union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion.
     petition for Rand (and others) to sign - (boxley) - (30)
         Ambivalence... - (hnick)
         Bob wins the Intertubes. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             1,$s/bubba/boudroux/g -NT - (boxley)
         The Texas petition is almost up to 40K - (malraux) - (4)
             better move back home ASAP - (lincoln) - (2)
                 yeah, especially with your spanish skills - (boxley)
                 yeah, especially with my spanish skills spelling error - (boxley)
             Sure thing... - (folkert)
         Secede or don't, what's this permission BS? -NT - (drook)
         Re: petition for Rand (and others) to sign - (lincoln) - (2)
             typical canadians - (boxley)
             dupe ignore - (boxley)
         The Confederacy of Takers - (lincoln)
         Petition at WH.gov to deport everyone who signed. - (Another Scott) - (5)
             deport them to a blue state? -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                 No... - (folkert) - (1)
                     deport is the opposite of port they arrived already on board - (boxley)
                 Austin has petitioned to remain part of USA - (lincoln)
             Sounds good to me! -NT - (folkert)
         Secessionists will hurt healthcare in their states - (lincoln)
         Wonkette on AL secession petition starter. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             And who was president in 2001? - (lincoln)
         heard on NPR yesterday - (lincoln) - (7)
             following the constitution is now treason? good to know -NT - (boxley) - (6)
                 breaking away from the USA is against the constitution - (lincoln) - (5)
                     Re: breaking away from the USA is against the constitution - (boxley) - (4)
                         Texas v. White, 1869 - (malraux) - (3)
                             Excellent. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
                             you sure you want THAT case? - (boxley) - (1)
                                 FIFY. - (mmoffitt)

What's the point of being heavily armed if you can't be impulsive? I mean, really...
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