What do we think of CURL?

Post #3,661 by tuberculosis 8/2/01 8:09:10 PM Reply	What do we think of CURL? New language for web development - requires a plugin - if they release plugins fast enough for all machines I think I like it. The designer definitely has a LISP background I think. [link\|http://www.curl.com\|http://www.curl.com] So far its kinda fun. Only a couple egregious errors in language design - no class side inheritance and static typing.
Post #3,669 by ChrisR 8/2/01 9:20:19 PM Reply	Looks interesting... ...the language is definitely rooted in Lisp. I've been meaning to [link\|http://lambda.weblogs.com/discuss/msgReader$1101\|play with it] for a while, but a couple of job transitions have prevented me from getting far. I definitely could use much better control over forms than I now have with html or dhtml. Most of the standards push these days is geared towards presentation or server side processing. Curl seems to be the only thing happening of any substance on the client side browser.
Post #3,672 by admin 8/2/01 9:54:52 PM Reply	Have you played with DOM yet? [link\|http://wsabstract.com/javatutors/dynamiccontent4.shtml\|[link\|http://wsabstract.com/javatutors/dynamiccontent4.shtml\|http://wsabstract.c...ntent4.shtml]] [link\|http://server1.wsabstract.com/javatutors/dom.shtml\|[link\|http://server1.wsabstract.com/javatutors/dom.shtml\|http://server1.wsab...rs/dom.shtml]] [link\|http://jw.itworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2000/jw-03-pushlet-2.html\|[link\|http://jw.itworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2000/jw-03-pushlet-2.html\|http://jw.itworld.c...shlet-2.html]] Regards, -scott anderson
Post #3,680 by ChrisR 8/2/01 11:09:20 PM Reply	For presentation, yes... DOM and JavaScript are ok for getting dynamically adjustable content on the client side. But it's still hard to build up the pieces of the forms from the primitives and the client side validation still is hard to build up systematically. DOM doesn't introduce any new form elements, though it does make them a little more flexible.
Post #3,755 by tuberculosis 8/3/01 2:15:28 PM Reply	Looked at it But its not the same as having a great graphics library and widget set at your disposal. For instance, could you write a UML modeling tool using DOM? I think it would be pretty hard.
Post #3,679 by altmann 8/2/01 10:51:12 PM Reply	I think why bother? Why sell the cow when you can sell the milk by the squeeze? [link\|http://www.curl.com/html/products/pricing.jsp?c1=46\|http://www.curl.com...ng.jsp?c1=46] <quote> We charge commercial customers based on the volume of Curl content executed. If you would like to deploy Curl content in a commercial setting, please contact us at sales@curl.com. Our license agreement includes a standard fee and allows for volume-based usage discounts. Non-commercial users can deploy Curl content at no charge. </quote> I remember actually seeing the price somewhere but I can't find it at the moment. It was quite expensive IIRC. -- Chris Altmann
Post #3,754 by tuberculosis 8/3/01 2:06:26 PM Reply	If it has decent database access capability Which I don't see yet, but if they have a clue then its coming, then you'd have a round trip client server solution deployable through a web browser which only requires developers to learn a single technology instead of the umpteen little skills you need now to do a dynamic website. Plus, you can build APPLICATIONS - with real UI and slick drawing capabilities and MIX them with web content. I'm thinking about going to their office and trying to cold call myself a job to make db access/enterprise integration happen.
Post #3,757 by Fearless Freep 8/3/01 2:29:45 PM Reply	Oh...you mean like Dolphin Smalltalk was doing 6 years ago? Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #3,776 by tuberculosis 8/3/01 4:34:31 PM Reply	Did it run in the browser on several platforms? I don't recall hearing about Dolfin for anything but PCs.
Post #3,779 by Fearless Freep 8/3/01 4:58:29 PM Reply	Yes and no... ...they had a browser plugin tat let you do pretty much anything in a web page you could do with a normal app. However, they limited it to Windows as, at teh time, that was pretty much all they felt they needed to cover; they never got much pressure to support other platforms. VisualWorks has something very similar as well; it came out probably a year ago Jay O'Connor "Going places unmapped to do things unplanned to people unsuspecting"
Post #3,781 by neelk 8/3/01 5:08:56 PM Reply	Re: If it has decent database access capability They're based in Boston, so if you do end up in the area let me know, because that's where I live. :)

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