here come the layoffs

Post #366,032 by boxley 11/9/12 12:28:48 PM Reply	here come the layoffs http://www.washingto...ffs-obamacare-be/ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #366,036 by Andrew Grygus 11/9/12 2:01:43 PM Reply	Having suffered an embarassing loss . . . . . the right wing business people are out for vengeance. They will do everything they can to make their own most dire predictions come true - even if it seriously damages their own businesses. There is nothing reasonable or logical about heir hatred for Obama - the socialist Muslim nigger from Kenya.
Post #366,037 by malraux 11/9/12 2:02:19 PM Reply	Don't forget "atheist" too... Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #366,038 by boxley 11/9/12 2:07:56 PM Reply	muslims arn't athiests Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #366,039 by boxley 11/9/12 2:08:23 PM Reply	ort atheists Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #366,042 by malraux 11/9/12 2:29:40 PM Reply	He's all three! http://www.youtube.c...Y0M7IdNl7U#t=264s Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #366,041 by Another Scott 11/9/12 2:25:15 PM Reply	Businesses don't like taxes. Film at 11:00. A regurgitated FreedomWorks press release. Really? Ok, I'll play briefly. The first one: http://www.welchally...108-1347298660449 In making the announcement, Welch Allyn said these actions will proactively prepare the company to address the new onerous U.S. Medical Device Tax scheduled to begin in 2013 as mandated in the Affordable Care Act, as well as other significant changes driven by healthcare reform and market dynamics. The company will also perform a 90-day evaluation of its European operations to determine the optimal deployment of the business in that important market, and reorganize its Latin America business to be more competitive in the region. Gee. I wonder how much of reason is driven by that other stuff and not by the "onerous" tax. Could it be that the tax is just a convenient whipping boy? "It's not my fault that we need to fire people, it's that evil Government's fault." The "onerous" tax is all of 2.3% on the sales price - http://www.irs.gov/u...y-Asked-Questions It doesn't apply to eyeglasses and similar things purchased by the public at retail. I thought that our Republican economist friends always said that business taxes are always passed on to the consumer. Are they now saying they aren't? Are they saying that somehow medical device manufacturers won't sell as many devices if they have to collect a 2.3% tax? How could that be if the devices are truly medically necessary? Cry me a river, Steve Meyer and FreedomWorks. Cheers, Scott.
Post #366,046 by hnick 11/9/12 3:06:28 PM Reply	My take... I also noted that most of these places produced medical equipment. Having been on both sides of the game (making medical equipment and working in the medical dodge,) I can see them being upset. I think the tax is a red herring. What they are pissed about is that there will be more scrutiny on the use of tests, particularly those using upscale equipment, in the myriad private labs that buy their output. If the hospitals and big practices can't make an easy buck running or working with private labs, they'll stop. If they stop, the labs quit buying. Everybody uses basic X-rays; the specialized low energy X-rays, not so much. If insurance companies stop paying higher prices for the special scans, the practices quit using them. The tax is pretty trivial; they'd just pass that on if that was all there was. They are worried that there will be nobody to pass it on to. My 0.02
Post #366,053 by Another Scott 11/9/12 5:08:43 PM Reply	Thanks very much.
Post #366,043 by drook 11/9/12 2:31:43 PM Reply	Hmm ... I notice most of those seem to be medical device manufacturers. AScott pointed out one issue with that. Here's another thing: With current unemployment, wages have been stagnant or dropping for quite a while. Republicans claim to want to improve employment. If that happened, wouldn't wages go up? Wouldn't that possibly be more of a hit than the health care costs? Wouldn't companies pay it anyway, because that's the cost of doing business? -- Drew
Post #366,095 by lincoln 11/10/12 4:29:41 PM Reply	Re: here come the layoffs Bob Murray, the CEO of Murray Energy who made his miners lose a day's pay to serve as a backdrop for Mitt Romney and who pressures his salaried employees to write checks to his favorite candidates, is just not ready to stop campaigning against President Barack Obama. And as usual, he's using his workers as pawns for his politics. Robert E. Murray read a prayer to a group of company staff members on the day after the election, lamenting the direction of the country and asking: "Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in Murray Energy Corp. for the decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build." On Wednesday, Murray also laid off 54 people at American Coal, one of his subsidiary companies, and 102 at Utah American Energy, blaming a "war on coal" by the administration of President Barack Obama. Yes, Lord, forgive Murray for firing people to make a bullshit political point the day after the election. http://www.dailykos....oints?detail=hide "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow

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