? It's Winders (Microsoft) that is annoying me.

Post #365,530 by Another Scott 10/25/12 4:37:27 PM Reply	? It's Winders (Microsoft) that is annoying me. Yes, the functionality should be in Windows. And the APIs should be clean enough that a little utility like that shouldn't break memory mapped files (or whatever the issue with Flash crashing are). Both are MS's fault AFAICS. Cheers, Scott.
Post #365,531 by pwhysall 10/25/12 6:07:31 PM Reply	s/MS/Adobe/ Flash being a crashy pile of shit is Adobe's fault.
Post #365,533 by folkert 10/25/12 6:17:20 PM Reply	Flash should just DIE. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #365,534 by pwhysall 10/25/12 6:44:50 PM Reply	Yup
Post #365,564 by malraux 10/26/12 10:25:01 AM Reply	Flash in the browser, sure. It's a very nice mobile development platform, though. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #365,537 by Another Scott 10/25/12 7:48:08 PM Reply	Them too. Still, it's MS's OS...
Post #365,540 by folkert 10/25/12 9:37:31 PM Reply	*COUGHCOUGH** -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #365,542 by Another Scott 10/25/12 9:45:06 PM Reply	Robitussin may help with that. ;-) Explain it to me like I'm stupid. Thanks.
Post #365,543 by folkert 10/25/12 9:47:00 PM Reply	Got a "Z-Pack" earlier this week. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C
Post #365,545 by pwhysall 10/26/12 1:43:50 AM Reply	Re: Them too. Still, it's MS's OS... App crashes are not the problem of the OS vendor.
Post #365,551 by Another Scott 10/26/12 7:02:07 AM Reply	True but... Yeah, I've got a weak argument, but bear with me. The error/crash only occurs when Taskbar Shuffle is used with Flash. It seems to happen with Firefox, Chrome, and IE8 (dunno if TS is always installed nor whether it always involves Flash, but those seem to be the most common intersections). It seems to me to be an API issue. The API is either written in such a way that it's easy for Flash to stomp on shared memory used by TS, or Adobe is trying to do something it shouldn't. MS has control over the Win32 API. The OS controls what is legal or not. Either MS's API needs to be tightened up to prevent Flash apps from stomping on someone else's shared memory, or Adobe needs to be slapped down for doing things outside the standard API. This problem has been going on for years. Lots of people have this trouble, but the actual solution is very hard to find and not widely known. It shouldn't still be happening. Adobe is the logical person to fix this, but if the OS and API were better then it wouldn't show up on the user's desktop at all. It would have been caught in the build process AFAICS. And if MS hadn't broken their taskbar functionality over the years, then TS wouldn't be needed... FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #365,552 by pwhysall 10/26/12 7:24:08 AM Reply	Re: True but... The OS is probably doing the right thing here, but the apps in question aren't dealing with their situation gracefully (and OMG my IE10 textbox has got autocorrect >high fives MS<), instead crashing.
Post #365,554 by drook 10/26/12 8:31:06 AM Reply	Snark High five, MS has caught up to FirFox from (at least) five years ago! WOOOO! -- Drew
Post #365,590 by scoenye 10/26/12 5:35:06 PM Reply	Looks like the Shuffler crew is to blame That crash comes out of the Shuffler, not Flash. It is hooked into a Windows system call and the hook is doing something naughty. My guess is they used an undocumented API call that finally changed signature sometime after the last update.
Post #365,591 by Another Scott 10/26/12 5:43:43 PM Reply	Thanks. He says that TS is not supported on Win7, so it sounds like you're right. http://nerdcave.webs.com/ Thanks. Cheers, Scott.
Post #365,594 by folkert 10/26/12 7:40:12 PM Reply	Ummmm.... *COUGH* AS, you keep playing with Windows... when all you've been doing about it, is complaining. When are you going to realize Windows isn't the Operating System you are looking for... move along. -- greg@gregfolkert.net PGP key 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Fingerprint: E1D3 E3D7 5850 957E FED0 2B3A ED66 6971 B524 687C

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