20 years ago today?

Post #36,446 by orion 4/24/02 7:30:12 PM 4/24/02 7:41:04 PM Reply	20 years ago today? 1982, before the Macintosh, before Windows, back when Microsoft first started PC-DOS and MS-DOS. Microsoft's [link\|http://gobi.stanford.edu/computer_history/deal.htm\|Deal of the century!] Back just before everyone and their brother cloned IBM's PC and PC/AT, before hard drives where included in most systems. Back when the 8 bit computers just started to get long in the tooth. Back when Commodore and Atari ruled the home computer market, and Apple had the educational, consumer, and hobbist market. Seesh, before Linux even! Make IBM start over with the new contract with Microsoft to only make the OS for IBM and nobody else. IBM goofed up there and created an accidental empire with Microsoft. IBM should have been there, not Microsoft, that is if IBM was smart enough to license PC-DOS to OEMs? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.* Edited by orion April 24, 2002, 07:41:04 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #36,489 by imric 4/25/02 11:41:44 AM Reply	shudder IBM? In the place MS is? Preserve me. MS is just an offshoot of the evil that is IBM. If they put on the mask of 'good guy' now, you can be sure that they are simply biding thier time... Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #36,490 by imric 4/25/02 11:43:40 AM Reply	LRPDism: Return the relics to the elephants, and Atlantis rises Imric's Tips for Living Paranoia Is a Survival Trait Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised... Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
Post #36,688 by orion 4/28/02 12:40:56 AM Reply	Did we trade one evil for another? Would we have IBM in place of Microsoft? Would we have OS/2 XP instead of Windows XP right now? How about DRI, would you want to use GEM XP instead? What if Apple licensed their Macintosh system to Microsoft in 1984 and we had Apple in place of Microsoft? Evil, what Corporations are really noted for being 100% good? It is just about what percentage of evil they all, most Corps are inherently evil they place profit over safety and their employee's rights. Bottom line is how much money they can make and what expenses they can get rid of? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #36,692 by Steve Lowe 4/28/02 1:39:17 AM Reply	Re: Did we trade one evil for another? ..OS/2 XP instead of Windows XP right now? Both. (and all the others your mentioned. That's the point. And they'd ALL be better. ----- Steve
Post #36,736 by orion 4/28/02 9:58:18 PM 4/28/02 10:00:35 PM Reply	They'd all be better? So if OS/2 XP had 90% marketshare and the rest fighting for the other 10%, you'd be happier than if Microsoft had the 90%? Would you be happier if IBM owned 90% of the market, and used their own browser bundled/intergrated with the latest version of OS/2, sold their own Office Suite, and forced OEMs to pay for installs even if they didn't install OS/2 on each and every system? What makes IBM, Apple, DRI, etc better than Microsoft? If I had my choice, it would be an easier to use Linux with Mozilla installed as an optional part of the Linux install. By buying Microsoft products, each and every one of us that bought a MS product, helped to make Microsoft what it is today. Every MS-Shop, every home user, everyone who uses a MS product helped to create the monster that is now the modern Microsoft. But what if a different company had 90% of the marketshare and abused their monopoly? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.* Edited by orion April 28, 2002, 10:00:35 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #36,745 by Steve Lowe 4/29/02 12:49:14 AM Reply	Missed point entirely Where did I say anything about any of them having 90% market share? If they were all actually competing, yes they would all be better. Including Microsoft's products. That's why I said all of them. Look at any industry where there is real competition. Products get better and cheaper. ----- Steve
Post #37,001 by orion 4/30/02 7:48:53 PM Reply	Yes it would if they all had franctions of the marketshare but we would have more than one OS as "standard". Write a program for OS/2, and then DR-DOS wouldn't run it. Write a program for Linux, and Plan9 wouldn't run it. Write a MacOS program, and BeOS wouldn't run it. Etc. Best thing to do is crack open that Microsoft API and have other companies clone their own Windows to use that API, or build emulators or whatever to run Windows software. Then everyone can have a piece of the pie. Remember in the early 80's when Compute! and other magazines had source code for programs, and each program had like 6 ports or more? One for each major machine? *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #37,163 by CRConrad 5/2/02 1:36:03 AM Reply	Still missing the fscking point. Norm gibbers on: but we would have more than one OS as "standard. Holy fucking shit goddamitall to Hell, that IS the bloody point!!! For fuck's sake, buy a frigging clue, willya?!? Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764\|Andrew Grygus]

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