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New In agreement on the settlement issue.
This is all IMO, of course - but if Israel had not built the settlements, I would not be upset at Israel right now, assuming all other things that have transpired on both sides happened as they did. The difference between a Democratic Israel and an Imperial Israel is a subtle difference, but an important one.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
New This has nothing to do with the settlements
From 1948-1967 there were no settlements, was Israel accepted into the International Red Cross, the security council, etc.? the answer is no. Settlements etc. are an excuse, we see this clearly from what happened in Lebanon. Israel withdrew, and called in the UN to mark the border. Did that stop Hizbullah and Lebanon? Of course not. They came up with another excuse. What does the world say about this? Very little. What does the UN do? Less then nothing (the UN hid a videotape of the kidnapping of 3 Israeli soldiers for 8 months). What does the press say about this? When it comes to the West Bank and Gaza, the press consistently refers to it as "occupied territory", NOT disputed territory (which is what it really is). Yet when it comes to the Shaaba Farms area which the UN stated black on white is not part of Lebanon, the press calls it "disputed" territory, why?
     The international community and Israel - (bluke) - (8)
         Re: I know you feel strongly about this - but - (dmarker2) - (7)
             In agreement on the settlement issue. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                 This has nothing to do with the settlements - (bluke)
             Even assuming that you are right ... - (bluke) - (4)
                 Oh, I agree on those points. - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                     The American Red Cross - (bluke) - (2)
                         Take pride in that - (3)) - (1)
                             Thanks for the kind words - (bluke)

Fighting and romance are weirdly similar in many ways. Two people lock eyes in a crowded room. Everybody can feel the intensity of the emotions between them. One of them suggests that they step outside. “Come on, just you and me.” It starts out dignified, but they end up rolling around, tearing at each other’s clothing.

Also, both fighting and romance tend to look a lot better in movies than they do in real life.
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