RIM is still the only semi-secure solution.

Post #361,757 by mmoffitt 8/16/12 9:26:02 AM Reply	RIM is still the only semi-secure solution.
Post #361,760 by pwhysall 8/16/12 9:41:28 AM Reply	Not so. iPhone does full-device encryption too, with remote lock/wipe. Dunno about Android, but I bet it does or will Real Soon Now. True, you can set a BB to wipe itself if it doesn't contact the mothership after a certain time, but the proportion of the market that would actually genuinely miss that feature is, I posit, tiny.
Post #361,763 by mmoffitt 8/16/12 10:29:15 AM Reply	And you can only "remotely wipe" an iPhone if... it connects to you. If a handheld has been compromised, I don't want it connecting to me. But that's not the only trouble with iPhones. See here for example: http://www.sit.fraun...st-passwords.html What "proportion of the market would actually genuinely miss" the additional security is irrelevant. This is the age of Facebook. An age when the great mass of marching morons cannot be trusted to make security decisions - even when it comes to securing their own information.
Post #361,770 by pwhysall 8/16/12 1:25:47 PM Reply	Shrug You said RIM phones are the only semi-secure option. They're not. They're arguably the most secure, but there're other secure enough options. Are you seriously contending that people need timed remote wipe on non-connection to a remote server? That's a nice tinfoil hat you've got, there.
Post #361,771 by mmoffitt 8/16/12 2:11:56 PM Reply	They clearly don't need it for personal use. But for some businesses (my current employer included) it is a must. Of course, you Brits have no trouble with being snooped upon incessantly so I'm not surprised you think anyone concerned with privacy is worthy of a tinfoil hat.
Post #361,773 by pwhysall 8/16/12 2:30:42 PM Reply	Heh, and you're not snooped on at all, right? You keep right on believing that. And constructing strawmen, while you're at it. I know there are some businesses that want remote timed wipe; it's just that there are almost certainly too few of them to sustain RIM. Feel free to continue arguing with things I didn't say, though.
Post #361,774 by mmoffitt 8/16/12 3:07:31 PM Reply	Of course we're snooped on. I've read the USA PATRIOT Act. It's just that we don't like it. Most of you Brits think its not a problem. The Queen's entitled and all that. That's among the reasons we broke away from you, remember? ;0)
Post #361,775 by pwhysall 8/16/12 4:05:23 PM Reply	Says who? You're just making things up now.
Post #361,776 by folkert 8/16/12 4:31:53 PM Reply	Yes, but he has a REALLY REALLY... Nice big stack of straw back there. And He is making the biggest burning man strawman you've ever seen!
Post #361,787 by static 8/16/12 11:53:20 PM Reply	Android does, too. I haven't installed it but I know someone who did. It's slightly scary to setup, actually because the ability to remotely reset the device is fairly prominently displayed. And then partway through the install it looks like it's done a factory reset - only it hasn't really, it's just waiting for you login. Wade. Just Add Story http://justaddstory.wordpress.com/
Post #361,796 by mmoffitt 8/17/12 8:25:29 AM 8/17/12 8:26:24 AM Reply	Yep. That's why I said RIM is still the only semi-secure solution. My yanking Peter's chain aside, he is right. Almost nobody cares. The bank my company uses for the health savings accounts recently rolled out iPhones to their people. They manage them through Airwatch which requires an agent on the device - a lot like MobileIron. The bank doesn't even disable Siri or iCloud and they allow their users to add 3rd party email accounts to their devices. But their IT Security guy said, "That's not a problem, though, because we don't show them how to add 3rd party email accounts." I damned near fell off my chair. edit: tpyo Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 17, 2012, 08:26:24 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #361,809 by drook 8/17/12 1:34:23 PM Reply	Wouldn't you think banks would hire people who know that? You'd be wrong. Because that comes lower on the "shit we care about" scale than not going bankrupt, and they haven't been real good at that lately. -- Drew

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