"Gun laws and the slippery slope"

Post #361,205 by rcareaga 7/23/12 2:27:52 PM Reply	"Gun laws and the slippery slope" When I drive a car, how many serial numbers am I required to carry with me? The car has a government-issued license-plate number. It has a vehicle identification number that I'm not at liberty to remove or obscure. I have to carry a government-issued driver's license with a license number. If I'm stopped by the police, I have to surrender this license and a registration form. And on and on. And yet no one, apart from a tiny handful of ultra-libertarians, ever argues that we're on a slippery slope to the seizure of all private vehicles by a totalitarian government... http://nomoremister....ippery-slope.html cordially,
Post #361,206 by crazy 7/23/12 2:41:05 PM Reply	Non comparable Different uses, different restrictions, different goals, diffiferent, different, different. And certainly no constitutional issue. Silly article, sorry.
Post #361,207 by Andrew Grygus 7/23/12 2:41:18 PM Reply	On the other hand . . . . . totalitarian governments don't much fear private vehicles - they are easily knocked out with guns. Even a .22 caliber revolver can easily knock out a car with one shot through the radiator.
Post #361,208 by drook 7/23/12 2:51:29 PM Reply	Another difference Cars only continue to be useful as long as you have a source of gas. Guns can be useful just waving them around. -- Drew
Post #361,210 by mmoffitt 7/23/12 3:06:49 PM Reply	Yabut what's an unloaded firearm? A hammer.
Post #361,214 by drook 7/23/12 4:06:28 PM Reply	Close An unloaded firearm is a hammer if the person you're pointing at knows it's unloaded. But I wasn't talking just about an unloaded firearm. If you've got a gun with one bullet, you can hold people at bay until they get desperate enough. A machine gun with a full clip, and even desperation won't do it for most people. Point is, when a totalitarian regime is exerting control, cars are easy. Just cut off the fuel deliveries. Taking away guns is a door-to-door affair, and they're small and easy to hide. -- Drew
Post #361,209 by mmoffitt 7/23/12 3:06:28 PM Reply	I think there's something we should watch a lot closer. Body armor. Why are people allowed to buy that stuff? Remember the 1997 bank robbery? There's no sane reason to wear that stuff - EVER. And when a lunatic or a criminal dons it, well, we've seen what happens.
Post #361,211 by folkert 7/23/12 3:27:41 PM Reply	Okay... NOW you are taking the Rich People rights away. They should have the right to wear body armor to protect themselves... along with the rolling tank vehicles they can get. Next thing you'll be saying is that these rolling armored cars are illegal also. How dare you take away the right of the rich to buy what they want. Heck, this would piss off my Step Dad... he bought 12 new guns and rifles at a Gun show in Florida and then promptly drove to Michigan with them in his 2012 GMC Denali. Along with about 8,000 round of the various needed ammo. You expect him to follow the laws you lowly people have to? Feh. He drives at 90+MPH everyday... all the time. He gets pulled over and get given warnings, since he is an 83 year old Rich man, he doesn't have to follow the laws. He throws fits if someone wants to borrow and payback $5000, putting an inordinate amount of rules and restrictions down, but he will was $12,000 over winter to heat his Michigan house and huge insulate pole barn to 75F. Just because he can. Or spend $22,000 on a new bike and then dump it and sell it for $12,000 because he doesn't like it any more (or never). Yeah... stop putting rules and regulations down that rich people might have to follow.
Post #361,224 by Ashton 7/23/12 11:02:12 PM Reply	Re: Okay... Sounds like another Gary Cooper/John Galt wannabe.. I've Got Mine.. Fuck You (All!) Another word for that mechanical quality, seen in meat-form: solipsist. Pity to have one of these somewhat 'near-by' ... condolences. Worst of all: the Ones who can waste the most energy/resources/Chances! to stabilize the planet.. maybe: WASTE exponentially MORE (as their net worth increases.) (Now, if the richest+oldest are measurably [??] the Worst of all classes of polluters/wastrels --does this make $Geriatricide OK With Jesus?) Or just with Infidels. .hr Law above fear, justice above law, mercy above justice, love above all.
Post #361,212 by crazy 7/23/12 3:39:03 PM Reply	So now protective fabric should be illegal? No. Very simple. No. Maybe I want to walk a few blocks deeper into my neighborhood and feel a bit safer. Because a couple of guys used it as part of a robbery (yeah, hell of a PBS show on it), you are saying it should be some type of tracked or forbidden item? What about regular fabric plus steel plates? What about cotton to make the fabric and iron ore to make the plates? Now THIS is a slippery slope! What next, kitchen knives? No.
Post #361,215 by drook 7/23/12 4:10:25 PM Reply	Umm ... What next, kitchen knives? Was it England where someone wanted to outlaw pointed kitchen knives? After all, what use is stabbing in preparing food? -- Drew
Post #361,228 by mmoffitt 7/24/12 10:38:29 AM Reply	Can anyone above give me a rational use for body armor? In civilian life, that is.
Post #361,229 by Another Scott 7/24/12 10:56:39 AM Reply	Blasting technicians at mines? (Yeah, it's a stretch.)
Post #361,233 by crazy 7/24/12 12:16:52 PM Reply	I ALREADY gave one I wasn't kidding. http://www.neighborh...nj/trenton/crime/ Now stop being an asshole.
Post #361,249 by drook 7/24/12 10:08:02 PM Reply	Ever heard of Hough? http://spotcrime.com/oh/cleveland/hough You couldn't pay me enough to work night shift at a convenience store in Hough. But if you tried, you'd better start by providing body armor. -- Drew
Post #361,266 by hnick 7/25/12 7:19:22 AM Reply	Hough? You should have seen it in the 70's during the riots. Fun times...
Post #361,267 by folkert 7/25/12 8:49:09 AM Reply	Benton Harbor, MI? Yeah... Until they demolished over 80% of what used to be downtown... including abandoned housing, crime was something you avoided by driving through downtown on the way to St. Joesph, MI... without stopping for the lights. Walking through it? BWAHAHHA. Even the Police didn't go there WITH Body Armor.
Post #361,269 by crazy 7/25/12 3:48:09 PM Reply	Well, you still want to prohibit it? Or add it to a watch list so the government can track it?

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