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New SCOTUSBlog - Live blogging of the decision today.
http://www.scotusblog.com/cover-it-live/

Here's hoping it doesn't crash...

[edit:] The previous URL was for Monday. Whoops. Correct now.

Cheers,
Scott.
Collapse Edited by Another Scott June 28, 2012, 09:47:43 AM EDT
SCOTUSBlog - Live blogging of the decision today.
http://scotusblog.wpengine.com/

Here's hoping it doesn't crash...

Cheers,
Scott.
New Mandate is constitutional. It's a tax.
New of course it is a tax
regardless of how many dem pols ran around crying it wasnt. That is why they ended up in court
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Re: of course it is a tax
http://takenlightly....idual-mandate.jpg (SFW)

(via a comment at Balloon-Juice)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Bottom line:
Tom: The bottom line: the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government's power to terminate states' Medicaid funds is narrowly read.


Heh.

Cheers,
Scott.
New It's a Glorious Day For Fascism!
New you meant "Socialism" </sarcasm>




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New no, facism is correct
the socialists didnt get to buy drugs in canada. big Pharm paid obama 80 million dollars to make sure they got the price they wanted with no negotiation allowed
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New how much did Big Pharma pay
back when Dubya and the Republicans passed the Medicare Part D plan, that stipulated that Medicare couldn't negotiate for the best prices from the drug companies?




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New 60 million, inflation ya know
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Never
There hasn't been any inflation. Haven't you been keeping up?
Well, instead of shopping? If you've been shopping, you might have gotten confused.
Politicians don't have to shop, so it's not a problem for them...
Expand Edited by hnick June 28, 2012, 04:31:10 PM EDT
New The 193 page opinion.
http://www.supremeco...df/11-393c3a2.pdf

Cheers,
Scott.
New I've not read many of these, but, ...
I don't recall a Chief Justice being called out like this in one.
Emphasis Mine.
In the Social Security Act, Congress installed a federal system to provide monthly benefits to retired wage earners and, eventually, to their survivors. Beyond question, Congress could have adopted a similar scheme for health care. Congress chose, instead, to preserve a central role for private insurers and state governments. According to THE CHIEF JUSTICE, the Commerce Clause does not permit that preservation. This rigid reading of the Clause makes scant sense and is stunningly retrogressive.

Page 2 Opinion of Justice Ginsburg
Izzat common?
New It's not unusual.
The language can be strong at times. It can also apparently be civil but throw off the conventions and in that way be a slap in the face of the majority. Apparently what is unusual is to conclude a dissent with "I dissent" rather than "I respectfully dissent".

E.g. Scalia's recent dissent on the Arizona case - http://www.supremeco...df/11-182b5e1.pdf

p.51
[...]

As is often the case, discussion of the dry legalities that are the proper object of our attention suppresses the very human realities that gave rise to the suit. Arizona bears the brunt of the country’s illegal immigration problem. Its citizens feel themselves under siege by large numbers of illegal immigrants who invade their property, strain their social services, and even place their lives in jeopardy. Federal officials have been unable to remedy the problem, and indeed have recently shown that they are unwilling to do so. Thousands of Arizona’s estimated 400,000 illegal immigrants — including not just children but men and women under 30 — are now assured immunity from en­forcement, and will be able to compete openly with Arizona citizens for employment.

Arizona has moved to protect its sovereignty — not in contradiction of federal law, but in complete compliance with it. The laws under challenge here do not extend or revise federal immigration restrictions, but merely enforce those restrictions more effectively. If securing its territory in this fashion is not within the power of Arizona, we should cease referring to it as a sovereign State. I dissent.


FWIW. My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
New gotta remember
Ginsberg thought that 20 year penalties for selling dope near a school was proper execution of the commerce clause. The chief justice narrowing that window was prolly taken as a personal rebuke
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Maybe Ginsberg saved the ACA by convincing Roberts.
http://www.newyorker...l?currentPage=all

And yet Ginsburg wrote what would have been the dissent — and a strong one — if Roberts had voted with the four conservatives to throw out the entire health-care law. Instead, her opinion concurred with Roberts when he said that the individual mandate was within Congress’s power to tax — this was the Constitutional loophole he found — but rejected his view that it wasn’t valid under the Commerce Clause, which gives Congress the power to regulate commerce. Ginsburg wasn’t gentle. She wrote that Roberts’s analysis was “rigid,” “crabbed,” and “stunningly retrogressive,” that it “finds no home in the text of the Constitution or our decisions” and made “scant sense.” There was also a mesmerizing dissection of the broccoli question. (Adam Gopnik has more on that, and Alex Ross has her favorite records.) Roberts’s view of the Commerce Clause, she wrote,

harks back to the era in which the Court routinely thwarted Congress’ efforts to regulate the national economy in the interest of those who labor to sustain it…. It is a reading that should not have staying power.


“Staying power” is something that Ginsburg has. As Jeffrey Toobin says in this week’s Political Scene podcast, “Ruth Bader Ginsburg is seventy-nine. She is about five feet tall, eighty pounds, she has had every disease known to humanity. She is as tough as nails.” She made her way at a time when you could have a legal education from Harvard and Columbia and still be turned down for a job because you were a woman. She is not as loud or colorfully charismatic as Scalia — who is? — but neither does she seem to have learned to give up. (Those wondering about the liberal future of the Court might note that, on a point related to Medicaid expansion, Ginsburg was joined by only one Justice: Sonia Sotomayor.) We don’t know what happened inside the Court, or why Roberts voted the way he did. But by writing a scathing opinion, Ginsburg may at least have done him the favor of showing him what he might have looked like if he had signed on with Scalia: a political opportunist, and almost a fool.

[...]


(via Brad DeLong)

Cheers,
Scott.
New she also thinks that selling marijuana 200 ft from a school
is under federal purview under the commerce claus.
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New Eh?
You talking about Lopez? The federal law about having a gun within 1000 feet of a school? She was on the dissenting side there.

http://en.wikipedia....d_States_v._Lopez

If not that, what are you referring to?

Cheers,
Scott.
New not that one, let me check later
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New I'm not sure if this is what he's talking about
When I was on the grand jury a couple years ago, we were informed that selling ANY marijuana within (some ridiculous distance) from a school was a felony crime as opposed to being a misdemeanor if it was under some weight. Similarly, if a child was within line of sight, it was also a felony.
Most of the cases we saw involved alcohol or drugs. Get rid of those, we'd be down to half a dozen cases a month. Maybe less.
New While we're talking about other USSC cases...
http://delong.typepa...ates-edition.html

Matt writes:

Live by the Technicality, Die by the Technicality: Orin Kerr on the ACA Decision: And that drinking age requirement [that states raise their drinking ages to 21 or have their federal interstate highway funds pulled] was enacted by none other than the sainted Ronald Reagan, and then upheld by none other than Antonin Scalia and William Rehnquist in a 7-2 SCOTUS ruling. Furthermore, it's worth noting that the 21st Amendment has always been held as giving the states the power to regulate alcohol. So unlike Medicaid, it's a federal encroachment on a power explicitly reserved to the states.


Heh.

The case is South Dakota v Dole - http://en.wikipedia....th_Dakota_v._Dole The dissenting votes were Brennan and O'Connor.

Cheers,
Scott.
New And in today's rendition of "Unclear On The Concept"
"Americans Angry About Obamacare Tweet About 'Moving To Canada'"

http://www.huffingto...da_n_1634157.html
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New ROFL!
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
New </me falls over>
New Sullivan's has some interesting things in it
http://andrewsulliva...hcare-ruling.html

And the conspiracy theorists will be coming out of the woodwork:
Scalia’s dissent, at least on first quick perusal, reads like it was originally written as a majority opinion. Back in May, there were rumors floating around relevant legal circles that a key vote was taking place, and that Roberts was feeling tremendous pressure from unidentified circles to vote to uphold the mandate. Did Roberts originally vote to invalidate the mandate on commerce clause grounds, and to invalidate the Medicaid expansion, and then decide later to accept the tax argument and essentially rewrite the Medicaid expansion (which, as I noted, citing Jonathan Cohn, was the sleeper issue in this case) to preserve it?

If so, was he responding to the heat from President Obama and others, preemptively threatening to delegitimize the Court if it invalidated the ACA? The dissent, along with the surprising way that Roberts chose to uphold both the mandate and the Medicaid expansion, will inevitably feed the rumor mill.



I think Jeffrey Toobin was more right than wrong. Ok, I can't actually justify that by what he said but I do think this ruling was a disaster for the left. Advocates of federal power lost everything except the headline. This looks like a stealth overturning of Wickard v. Filburn. The commerce clause expansion that has fueled everything from the New Deal to federal highways to the Great Society to the War on Drugs just took a huge hit.

Furthermore, Congress's power to attach new strings to existing pipelines of federal money just got clipped. This power is used so pervasively that I can't even describe it. Here are a few examples of strings tied to federal buckets of money that were enacted long after the original funding: Title IX (education funds), national drinking age (highway funds), and same sex partner hospital visitation rights (Medicare funds).
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Counterpoint.
http://www.balloon-j.../#comment-3391131

144 John PM Says:

@Steve in DC: Once Roberts decided that PPACA was constitutional as a tax, his statements on the Commerce Clause become dicta, i.e., not binding on lower courts.

I skimmed the various opinions (193 pages total). Justice Ginsburg addresses very well Roberts’ concerns about the expansion of the Commerce Clause. The Scalia/Thomas/Alito/Kennedy dissent (interesting that it was not written by only once person, as is typical) attacks the decision of the Court but refrains from saying anything bad about Roberts. Instead, the Four Horsemen of the Healthpocalypse vent their spleens (oddly enough, a now rejected medical procedure) on Ginsburg, treating her as if she wrote the majority opinion.

[...]


FWIW.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Romney: individual mandate is ultimate conservatism
http://youtu.be/JIPynMZuQtI

Obama's team is lying down on the job if they don't immediately start broadcasting this everywhere.
Regards,
-scott
Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
New Backstory on how the decision was released and reported.
http://www.scotusblo...ring-assessments/

We’re getting wildly differing assessments

The announcement of the Supreme Court’s decision largely upholding the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act on Thursday, June 28 precipitated a genuine media drama. Millions tuned in to get the result in real time, and were rewarded with the spectacle of two major news networks reporting the story incorrectly. Indeed, the President himself was in limbo while his staff raced to find out whether the Court had struck down his signature policy initiative.

I have taken a deep dive into those events; my first effort at real journalism. The following is the story of what happened at the Supreme Court, SCOTUSblog, CNN, Fox News, and the White House that day between 10:06 (when the Court released the opinion) and 10:15 (when CNN reversed itself and reported that the mandate had been upheld). Everything is based on interviews with those directly involved; nothing is second hand.

[...]

The Court’s own technical staff prepares to load the opinion on to the Court’s website. In years past, the Court would have emailed copies of the decision to the Solicitor General and the parties’ lawyers once it was announced. But now it relies only on its website, where opinions are released approximately two minutes later. The week before, the Court declined our request that it distribute this opinion to the press by email; it has complete faith in the exceptional effort it has made to ensure that the website will not fail.

But it does. At this moment, the website is the subject of perhaps greater demand than any other site on the Internet – ever. It is the one and only place where anyone in the country not at the building – including not just the public, but press editors and the White House – can get the ruling. And millions of people are now on the site anxiously looking for the decision. They multiply the burden of their individual visits many times over – hitting refresh again, and again, and again. In the face of the crushing demand, the Court cannot publish its own decision.

The opinion will not appear on the website for a half-hour. So everyone in the country not personally at 1 First St., NE in Washington, DC is completely dependent on the press to get the decision right.

[...]


An interesting read.

(via Brad DeLong)

Cheers,
Scott.
New I hereby bring suit against the SCOTUS for
A premeditated self-inflicted DDOS attack, with the aim of flummoxing gazillions of people--via the utterly contradictory first-two pages!

I seek the heads of the Red-Five-bloc:
on the silver plate with John/teh/Baptist's now somewhat time-worn.. remains.

It's only Fair..
     SCOTUSBlog - Live blogging of the decision today. - (Another Scott) - (28)
         Mandate is constitutional. It's a tax. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
             of course it is a tax - (boxley) - (1)
                 Re: of course it is a tax - (Another Scott)
         Bottom line: - (Another Scott)
         It's a Glorious Day For Fascism! -NT - (mmoffitt) - (5)
             you meant "Socialism" </sarcasm> -NT - (lincoln) - (4)
                 no, facism is correct - (boxley) - (3)
                     how much did Big Pharma pay - (lincoln) - (2)
                         60 million, inflation ya know -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                             Never - (hnick)
         The 193 page opinion. - (Another Scott) - (9)
             I've not read many of these, but, ... - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                 It's not unusual. - (Another Scott)
                 gotta remember - (boxley)
                 Maybe Ginsberg saved the ACA by convincing Roberts. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                     she also thinks that selling marijuana 200 ft from a school - (boxley) - (4)
                         Eh? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             not that one, let me check later -NT - (boxley)
                             I'm not sure if this is what he's talking about - (hnick)
                         While we're talking about other USSC cases... - (Another Scott)
         And in today's rendition of "Unclear On The Concept" - (malraux) - (2)
             ROFL! -NT - (boxley)
             </me falls over> -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Sullivan's has some interesting things in it - (malraux) - (1)
             Counterpoint. - (Another Scott)
         Romney: individual mandate is ultimate conservatism - (malraux)
         Backstory on how the decision was released and reported. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             I hereby bring suit against the SCOTUS for - (Ashton)

This is where the night goes from "we had fun" to "mistakes were made," isn't it?
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