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Post #359,487 by hnick 6/24/12 12:42:04 PM Reply	I suppose... I still find it abysmal that we need to go digging for something decent that either one of these turkeys has done recently. In a rational system, we would have to go digging to find questionable behavior. I guess I'm old fashioned or something. Very little of this scene is making sense any more. The republicans want to start another witch hunt because a sting operation went bad and ONE fucking ATF agent got killed by one of millions of guns floating around. This is the U.S. we're talking about. We kill thousands of our own people and hundreds of thousands of icky foreigners just to make a few billionaires a little richer. Obama IS cheerfully murdering civilians in half a dozen countries we're not at war with, but nobody complains about that because there's money in it and the next guy will want to continue the practice. If nothing else it trains drone operators to pick off dissidents when our revolution/civil war comes along. Where did the "Obama is king" meme come from? He's been a middle management Wall street functionary for his entire tenure. More confusion. I just wish there was somebody I could vote for that would not make me complicit in murder. It's probably not going to happen in my lifetime. Pity. This used to be a pretty good country.
Post #359,491 by Another Scott 6/24/12 1:18:39 PM Reply	I understand the sentiment. Progress is slow. War and state-based police actions (or whatever one wants to call them) are nasty business. I obviously have no special insight into Obama's thinking on the techniques being used to go after al Qaeda and suspected al Qaeda people. If we are going to go after them with deadly force, it makes more sense to me to do so with drones than with cruise missiles or B-2s. http://www.globalsec...109-operation.htm At least with drones, there's nearly real-time video of the target and the chance that a human can call it off if the targeting is mistaken, etc. With dumb bombs and missiles, there's much more opportunity for mistakes, and their target zones are necessarily much larger than with ordnance from a slow-moving, loitering platform. http://www.iraqbodyc...se/incidents/x020 But obviously in any military-ish conflict (again, whatever one wants to call them), civilians will do most of the dying. :-( I just wish there was somebody I could vote for that would not make me complicit in murder. It's probably not going to happen in my lifetime. Pity. This used to be a pretty good country. I understand the sentiment - I really do. But don't let your disappointment blind you to the progress that has been made. We didn't go into Georgia despite McCain's wishes. Our actions in Libya were limited and had a short duration. We haven't talked of marching to Damascus to teach Assad a lesson, and talk of war with Iran has died down. Compare that to what went on in the 1960s in SE Asia, or in the 1980s in Central America, or in the Bosnian war in the 1990s, and of course in the 2000s in Iraq. Hang in there. Cheers, Scott.
Post #359,514 by mhuber 6/24/12 11:41:55 PM Reply	Check history How often, in the course of American history, has there been a viable candidate for President who wasn't up for a bit of murder here and there? I'm not the expert historian, so I may have missed somebody, but I'm thinking approximately never. --------------------------------------- Badass! (and delicious)

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