Or maybe, just maybe

Post #357,428 by Another Scott 5/12/12 6:32:18 PM Reply	Or maybe, just maybe the police are able to control situations without using firearms. Hmmmm. http://news.bbc.co.u...urope/4246778.stm ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #357,429 by drook 5/12/12 7:38:16 PM Reply	Hypothetical question If you knew that your local police were fond of excessive force and had a less-than-cordial relationship with due process, OR you knew that your local police were basically interested in protecting the citezenry ... in which case would you expect people to be more respectful of requests from the police? -- Drew
Post #357,430 by Another Scott 5/12/12 9:22:18 PM Reply	To ask is to answer. Are people when pulled over more respectful of Assad's police or Merkel's? Even in an area with repressive police, there are people who support them because they feel they're not in the repressed group. I wouldn't feel threatened driving in Arizona, but my brother-in-law would... I don't think either one of us would feel threatened in Germany. ;-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #357,431 by boxley 5/12/12 10:07:36 PM Reply	dwb is an issue in germany and what they consider scwartzer is much wider than over here Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #357,451 by crazy 5/13/12 6:31:17 PM Reply	Or maybe, just maybe They'd be FUCKED (society / income wise) if they stuck their neck out. from YOUR article: The stereotype of the industrious German also seems to have been borne out by the survey - 11% said their employer had the most influence over their life decisions, compared to 4% in Europe as a whole. They are 2-3 times more likely to allow a job boss to have major impact on their life, which in turn means that are far less likely to make waves.
Post #357,457 by Another Scott 5/13/12 8:06:44 PM Reply	Meh. Maybe I'd need to see the questions. The poll was part of Gallup's old "Voice of the people" series - http://www.voice-of-the-people.net/ It apparently died in 2009 and the web site has lots of dead links. 500 people were polled for the survey in Germany in 2005. I can't find the questions anywhere. The work seems to have been moved to http://www.GlobeScan.com and http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/ I don't have time to dig through it, and anyway, I think this is a distraction from the main issue - the fact that Germany's police use their guns an infinitesimally smaller amount of the time than the police in the US. Germany are rah-rah capitalism and also rah-rah government-has-a-large-responsibility-in-ensuring-basic-human-needs. They're not kow-towed by their government - http://www.reuters.c...TRE6AC21M20101113 I think I'm done. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #357,464 by crazy 5/14/12 4:06:20 AM Reply	That's OK. It's an impossible argument on either side Counter examples easy to throw, as well as bullshit studies that we'd want to see the questions on. The key issue (to me of course, in the argument, not the actual point) is the ability to use your sources to "prove" (yeah, I know it didn't, but it sure cast a bit of doubt on yours. And that's the best I can hope for in this area.) my point. Merely getting you to give up without telling me I'm full of shit and would require a bit of less than worthwhile research is a win. thanks I'll take them where I can get them.

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