The word is "history".

Post #35,609 by Brandioch 4/16/02 12:40:21 PM Reply	The word is "history". Ye'Or points out that for orthodox Muslims, the world is divided into the dar al-Harb, land controlled by non-Muslims that forms the "territory of war," and the dar al-Islam, the land where Islamic law prevails. So, that would mean that the US and Canada and South America and Europe and Asia and Australia are all "dar al-Harb". Okay. Infidels should never be allowed to rest on their laurels, famed 14th century Muslim jurist Ibn Taymiyya asserted, for any land they possess is held illegitimately. And famed 20th century European leader Adolf Hitler said........ Who gives a fuck WHAT some long dead idiot said? The fact of the matter is that the orthodox Muslims have NOT invaded the US or Canada or South America or Europe or Asia or Australia in this lifetime. Deal with it. Your militaristic fantasies are beyond ignorant. They can believe whatever they want. They are NOT taking any "illegitimately" held land from ANYONE. From Marlowe: This explains a lot. If they were so insecure when they were in charge, that they had to bully non-Muslims in this way, it's no surprise they respond to no longer being in charge by throwing a huge tantrum. Hmmmmmm, seems that they'd have to go pretty far to "bully non-Muslims". Well, at least as far as >WE< had to go on the Crusades. Oh, you don't REMEMBER that little bit of HISTORY, do you? Something about "holy lands held by infidels"? Something about it being our duty to retake them? Why don't you do a little bit of research and find out WHO attacked WHOM and when and when the LAST time whomever invaded any place they hadn't already owned was. No, you won't do that. You'd rather hide behind your militaristic jingo and your "bad Arab" fantasies so you can justify killing the sub-humans "over there". Face it. Your rhetoric is no different than their's. If you were born in Iran, you'd be shouting about the "great Satan" and dancing in the street after the WTC attack. Jingo'ism is Jingo'ism. Small minded bigotry is Small minded bigotry. The only difference is that you were born over here and they were born over there.
Post #35,615 by Andrew Grygus 4/16/02 1:19:13 PM Reply	Which just supports my contention . . . . . that Islam, Judaism and Christianity should all three be banned as violent, intollerent and guilty of copious crimes against humanity - or just ban monotheism entirely as worthless crap - it's just an excuse to declare everyone else subhuman so you can kill them. Of course, then "right thinkng" folks would have go through all the trouble of coming up with some other excuse to slaughter their neighbors. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #35,643 by 3) 4/16/02 3:31:18 PM Reply	The problem is numero-theism Assigning a number to divinity. Doesn't matter if it's one like the monotheists think, two like the Manicheists, zero like the atheists, or even three as most of us Catholics almost-rightly say. I Am isn't a number, isn't even countable. I am not a man, I am a free number.
Post #35,648 by Andrew Grygus 4/16/02 3:48:16 PM Reply	Well, if you're gonna be . . . . a freak'n Kabalist about it . . As any good Pagan knows, Nothing & Everything (0 and Infinity) are just different ways of expressing the same concept (or number for the mathematically inclined). Anything else is just a sub expression of nothing - a construct of perception - dividing out a piece of nothing and contemplating it's properties as if it were a distinct entity. "Nothing divided itself into everything in order to know itself." There are also a lot of "bad Pagans" who just run an imitation of Christianity with multiple gods/goddesses instead of just three (or 4 if you count Mary (Isis)). [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #35,645 by boxley 4/16/02 3:38:38 PM Reply	Hindus are going at it pretty good right now in India Couple of massacres going on over a temple/mosque problem. Has to do with the theory if the other guy built it the dirt must be spiritual, so knowck down his stuff and put up ours. thanx, bill TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
Post #35,651 by Andrew Grygus 4/16/02 3:55:57 PM Reply	They are resisting the incursion of . . . . a foreign, monotheistic (thus naturally exclusive and violent) religion that has every intention of killing them if it can get away with it. A zillion cults get along pretty well there so long as nobody claims to "serve the one and only" and tries to kill everyone else (or convert by force as is being done in Africa right now). [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #35,683 by Ashton 4/16/02 6:29:53 PM Reply	We need a few more supporting that contention, methinks. Believe there is ample evidence that all the -isms, taken together - acoount for near-100% of the rationalizations for the warisgoodbizness; investyourson periodic massacres for $, for ego - for just plain Goodness. Trouble is: the fear of the Mystery of Why Life Is* (or for that matter: why Anything Is) won't go away. Substituting some idea of Holy-Science (say) proves not nearly as attractive an antidote to things thatgoBump inthe night as -- all those refined fantasies of bearded men -- alternatively and occasionally "kindly/loving" ... but always Ruling With That Iron Fist\ufffd. What do you call folks who Love Punishment (even for - just being born) ?? * never ... Never! ask 'why?' !! y'know? Now if there is some genetic predisposition in homo-sap, towards masochism (?) Then we just may lack the overall capacity to kick the fantasy habit, accept that Life is a pretty Wonderful Thing\ufffd (compared with.. what?) and thus finally grow into an adult species, and cease being Righteous - as daily expression of our Death Wish. In which case, all the excrescenses and slogans and flags shall continue for the duration to be - Will Shakespeare's compact summation: all that, ..sound and fury, signifying Nothing. (where.. ignorant armies clash by night.) SO.... what's on Tee Vee?

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