Post #35,460
4/15/02 2:13:53 PM
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Advice sought -- need a contingency plan for Ubersoft.net
Hello all, it's been a while. Thought I might pick your collective craniums.
Ever since Keenspot started muttering about the possibility of running pop-up ads on their sites, I've been nervously eyeing the door. It's not anything against Keenspot at all (it's run by some very cool people who I have no problems with whatsoever), and so far they've been very good about not forcing these decisions on individual cartoonists. Those of us who don't want pop-up ads don't get them, except for those times when banner advertisers sneak them in under the radar, and even then KS techs work hard to track those advertisers down and block them site-wide.
However, there may come a time when, in order to survive, Keenspot will require all cartoonists to use them, and use other things I will find equally annoying. When that time comes, I'm going to have to pull Help Desk and either find another way to run the comic, or to just stop doing it.
The problem is, there's no way I can afford to keep Ubersoft.net running on my own. Help Desk sucks down 31 gigs of bandwidth a month, and at present I barely have the financial wherewithall to pay all my bills and keep treading water. Getting server space with bandwidth that will handle that will run me at least $150 a month, and that's with a very good deal (or from a very sketchy company).
If it comes down to it, I'll just stop doing Help Desk until I can afford to again. The comic started out as a chance to be a smartass and make fun of certain things, but it seems to have become a bit more important than that to me. When I'm working on Help Desk I feel a lot more like a social revolutionary than anything else -- an extremely INEFFECTIVE one, mind you, but one nonetheless. And I'd rather just stop doing something I love than mix it in with something I hate.
Er, I'm jumping off track here. Let me get back to the point.
Is there a way to pay the bills on a website without resorting to idiocy? My gut instinct says "no," and that if I wind up having to leave Keenspot I'm just going to have to stop doing the comic altogether. For a while, at least. Still, I thought perhaps some of you might have come up with/experienced a 'business model' that Help Desk would work with that doesn't involve insulting a reader's intelligence.
Even if such a model existed, I can't say with any conviction I'd be able to pursue it... I have very little head for business, and I have almost no technical/programming skills when it comes to web design and maintenance. But I am trying to find out what my options are.
Fortunately, I don't see any _real_ danger signs that will require me leaving Keenspot. it's just that recent talk has sort of spooked me a bit, and I feel a need to come up with a plan b in the event the owners succumb to the pods sitting under their beds...
At any rate. Did I actually ask my question in this post? I feel like I've rambled a lot (that's definately a danger sign, when I feel like I'm rambling...)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,462
4/15/02 2:37:48 PM
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Maybe I am missing something
"Help Desk sux down 31 gig of bandwidth a month" is this your cartoon or the site? If it is the tune time to dead tree that sucker. Using the hitstats sell it to the Raleigh/Durham paper as a local on the cheap deadtree cartoon, then use that to pay for a site, then syndicate Nationwide. Start small, approach the paper. thanx and good luck, Bill
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
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Post #35,470
4/15/02 2:57:29 PM
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Interesting idea.
I'd probably have to change the way I draw Help Desk to manage it, though. As it currently stands, it won't fit in a standard dead tree format, and I'd have to stop doing it color all the time.
Although perhaps I could find some other way around that, I dunno.
The other problem is, last I checked the going rate for comic strips in newspapers was $7 a week. Syndication is the main way to make money that way...
But neither problem is insolvable. I'll need to look more into it.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,472
4/15/02 3:03:52 PM
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$7 bucks is $7 :)
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
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Post #35,479
4/15/02 3:22:34 PM
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Heh. True, true.
However, it would not go far towards financing my own site. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,466
4/15/02 2:44:01 PM
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Here's an idea
This is uniquely suited for your style. You basically have pre-made characters that you place in various positions on the gradient background with some though/text balloons. What if ... you just had the two or three gradients you use, and two images per character. (One facing each direction.)
Each strip would be a couple of gradient files (very small) as a table background, and some blank images between the character images to space them out properly. Then have the text in a row above or below the strip. Theoretically, if the images are cached, there would be very little but the html downloaded for each page.
It would be interesting to see how much of your traffic comes from people scouring the archives vs. just checking the new page.
I honestly don't know how much effort this would take to pull off, or how much difference it could eventually make, but it might be worth investigating.
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Post #35,478
4/15/02 3:20:19 PM
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Front Page vs. archives
according to the breakdown in my little webalizer page, the majority of visits I get start at the home page, so I'd say the home page gets the most traffic for a single page. However, the archives _are_ used to a fair amount.
I'm not sure that I want to make the comic any more static than it already is, however. I'm actually trying to figure out how to make it a bit less static...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,712
4/16/02 10:07:04 PM
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Downloadable client?
So instead of saying "green pixel here, 27 more follow" the server says "Evil Boss <mood = x, speech = 'open source sux'> here". Lower bandwidth, but...
Hmmm, .PNG is slow, 2d client is free, 3d client is two bux, developement platform license shockingly expensive...
OK, it's a bit 1995, but could be fun.
I am not a man, I am a free number.
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Post #35,808
4/17/02 5:22:44 PM
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PNG slow?
Are we talking the graphics format? In my experience, slowness is offset by the fact that graphic files sizes are considerably smaller than GIF.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,823
4/17/02 8:13:07 PM
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PNG is pixels
And that makes it slow.
As pixel-based formats go, it's real good.
I was kind of getting silly. If you convinced most of your readers to install a client that essentialy draws Ubersoft from simple instructions, it would reduce bandwidth considerably. My guess is that the instructions would be in the 1-2K range. But that's unlikely to happen for a number of reasons.
It would be cool, though.
I am not a man, I am a free number.
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Post #35,473
4/15/02 3:09:26 PM
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Tip jar?
A la the [link|http://www.counterpane.com/street_performer.html|Street Performer Protocol].
Voluntary subscriber models can work. Public radio is one proof.
I'd also look at marketing the script for publication elsewhere. Possibly at an Oracle and/or Sun corp internal, uh, attitude adjustment, site?
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Post #35,475
4/15/02 3:12:37 PM
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Kinda like Joes "Gotta dollar?" link hmmmm
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
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Post #35,476
4/15/02 3:16:51 PM
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Yeah, I thought about that
and I'd probably go with that along with anything else I did... I'm just not sure how well it will work. It works better on some sites than others, apparently... and I think Help Desk might be well positioned, content-wise, for it to work... I just don't know much about it, other than seeing it on various websites.
Chris
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,482
4/15/02 4:09:48 PM
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Works for Mandrake...
And hey - you could always put the link to the tip jar in a popup, if you don't get enogh response... *grin*
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- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #35,490
4/15/02 4:45:11 PM
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Public radio can work...
but consider the branding/merchandising aspects as well.
Getting people to cough up $5 bucks for a service they get for free is difficult (but not impossible.)
Getting people to pay $15 (for a $5 item) with a logo/phrase/whatever works even better.
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Post #35,492
4/15/02 4:50:39 PM
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Hmm. Well, perhaps
but I haven't had much luck with merchandising in the past. it needs to be relatively good quality merchandise, see...
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,757
4/17/02 11:57:13 AM
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How about contacting "Think Geek"?
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Post #35,513
4/15/02 5:54:13 PM
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Coffee mugs, t-shirts, baseball caps, that sort of thing?
Imric's Tips for Living- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #35,515
4/15/02 6:06:00 PM
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Hhmmmm, try a few things
See if any Newspapers will pay you to run your comic in their papers. See if the revenues for them will help offset your costs.
Offer a custom strip, where you make strips for people with your characters in them for $X amount of money. Sort of like doing personal portaits with someone else filling in one of the roles with their character.
Ask for donations, a lot of people out there don't want to miss the strip and will use Paypal or whatever to host it.
Oh yeah, the [link|http://www.netherworld.com/~mgabrys/clock/|Apple Doomsday Clock] is hosted at [link|http://www.netherworld.com|Netherworld.com] and he hosts all kinds of silly stuff on their servers and they don't apparently care about bandwidth or space.
I am free now, to choose my own destiny.
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Post #35,539
4/15/02 11:20:48 PM
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What about true co-location?
I found [link|http://www.johncompanies.com/collocation/|this link] from Kuro5hin and was intrigued enough to follow it up. The downside is that you would have to learn (or somehow borrow knowledge) to manage a FreeBSD server. You'd also lose the Keenspot fora; though I can't see why we couldn't just add one another one to phpIWETHEY for you (a bit like Darkwind).
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #35,542
4/16/02 12:06:32 AM
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Tell me more of this "co-location"
Based on what I read it sounds as if they "give" you a machine to put stuff on, and you're responsible for all the software that goes on it. They handle technical problems, but I'd have to teach myself to use a web server and manage email servers and handle firewalls and security and all that junk. Yes?
It would certainly be cheap, but I have no idea how long it would take me to learn all that stuff. Not that I couldn't, but I imagine it would be somewhat painful. :)
I'll have to think on that one.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,549
4/16/02 1:27:04 AM
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That sounds about it.
If I were doing a web comic like HelpDesk, I would jump at this colo offer. But then I know how to manage my own Internet server. :-) Perhaps some of us IWETHEYers could give you a hand.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #35,664
4/16/02 4:43:43 PM
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Any BSD progs out there
that make running servers easy for newbies? Heh. Heh heh. *breaks out into uncontrollable peals of laughter.*
Sorry. Had to ask. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,670
4/16/02 5:06:28 PM
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Hm; does the CoLo run Debian GNU/BSD? Then Peter could go...
..."apt-get install <Whater Admin Package>" a few tens of times, and you'd be all set!
Unfortunately (as you, astute reader that you are, have already noticed) my use of the conjunctive above indicates that such a thing doesn't exist. (AFAIK.) (Yet.)
Christian R. Conrad Of course, who am I to point fingers? I'm in the "Information Technology" business, prima facia evidence that there's bats in the bell tower. -- [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=27764|Andrew Grygus]
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Post #35,674
4/16/02 5:14:10 PM
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well, I suppose my other option is
to read a book. *sigh* :)
*goes to find "BSD for Dummies" and "Running a BSD Web Server for Complete and Utter Morons"*
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,719
4/16/02 11:47:07 PM
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Use the source, Luke.
I'm sure it would have a compiler on it. Compiling Apache is AFAIK not hard.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #35,731
4/17/02 1:59:43 AM
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yeah, but after I compiled it
I would have no clue how to use it... unless the source also comes with extensive documentation that I will be able to understand.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,744
4/17/02 7:42:52 AM
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Well, see what you think.
[link|http://httpd.apache.org/docs/install.html|Apache Configuration and Installation]
Don't mistake me: I can entirely understand how you might find this Too Hard. So long as you weren't needing to try this in the next month, I should be able to help.
Wade.
"All around me are nothing but fakes Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"
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Post #35,760
4/17/02 12:40:10 PM
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The USA version of The Register needs Ubersoft.
I think you would make a very good fit with the tone they have. Hell, You might even make a, *gasp*, profit.
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Post #35,794
4/17/02 4:21:33 PM
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oooo. That's a neat idea.
I went over to their site to see if they had any contact information/submission information. Haven't found it yet. Their site is pretty easy to use as long as you concentrate on the headlines, but any more than that and I start getting dizzy. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,799
4/17/02 4:41:46 PM
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Maybe Andrew or Karsten can get you an intro
They have both have had articles run either submitted or about them/their work.
Don't blame me. I voted with the majority.
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Post #35,800
4/17/02 4:44:57 PM
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Contact info
I think I found the link you need.
[link|http://www.theregus.com/content/31/24131.html|[link|http://www.theregus.com/content/31/24131.html|http://www.theregus...1/24131.html]]
Don't blame me. I voted with the majority.
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Post #35,807
4/17/02 5:21:13 PM
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Thank you!
As soon as I figure out exactly what to say, I'll introduce myself. :)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,813
4/17/02 5:59:53 PM
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Don't forget to mention IWE as your
er.. supporting claque :-\ufffd
I mean.. who else but Us could give an unbiased/unanimous vote about the eternal quality of lampooning the World's Largest Teenage Gorilla?
Ashton the Incorruptible well... maybe not IN-corruptible, but.. my price is high enough that you Know you PAID.
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Post #35,950
4/18/02 7:55:14 PM
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Well, I dropped 'em a line
I mentioned this in the jobs forum, but since this thread started it, I'll mention it here: I sent one of the editors, Drew Cullen (why is that name so damned familiar? Did he used to post here?) an email to see if there was any interest.
However, idiot that I am, I used my dtcweb.com account when I THOUGHT I was using my ubersoft.net account. So my entire email looks that much more like spam. :-)
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
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Post #35,952
4/18/02 8:08:41 PM
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A dupe from the prestigious addy - w/explanation?___:-\ufffd
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Post #36,091
4/22/02 5:54:11 AM
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C being pronounced as K, you're thinking of our DrooK (Kime)
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Post #35,797
4/17/02 4:40:56 PM
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Seconded: also, US & UK might be sep. deals (?)
They *need* something suitably sarcastic, but also occasionally brilliant.. :-\ufffd
A Stiletto to the the Dark heart of .NET >>>>\ufffd
Ashton
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