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Post #35,124
by marlowe
4/11/02 12:48:09 PM
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New Of course it's about the UN.
It's about their distressing tendency to mislabel everything.
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Post #35,134
by Ashton
4/11/02 1:28:10 PM
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New You mean, like 'Liberal' & 'Conservative' n'stuff?
Post #35,142
by Brandioch
4/11/02 2:11:30 PM
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New Check your facts.
The US does NOT have to follow ANY UN mandates.

We've not followed enough of them in the past.

Hell, we weren't even paying our dues.

If the UN says that we need to send 20,000 "peacekeepers" to some backwater, we can tell them to go fuck themselves.

We don't do this because we like the illusion that we're "doing something" for the world.

If we had any decent policy, we'd offer to fight wars and provide training for local enforcement and judicial systems.

But the people doing the training wouldn't be military. And the military wouldn't be arresting people.

Multi-faceted
Multi-pronged

But, as I've said before, simple thought does not solve complex problems.
Post #35,269
by Mike
4/12/02 3:59:28 PM
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New Some facts
>>The US does NOT have to follow ANY UN mandates.

The General Assembly
Decisions of the Assembly have no legally binding force for Governments.
This is well recognised. (They do carry the weight of world opinion though).

The Security Council
The Security Council has the power to make mandatory resolutions
which are binding on Governments. It is rare that these occur because
of the veto power enjoyed by the five permanent members. The U.S. has
traditionally clubbed anything it didn't like with its veto power
(including resolutions critical of Israel).
Security Council Resolutions which the US doesn't like get killed procedurally.
They don't have to refuse to follow mandatory resolutions. They can kill anything they want to with the veto before it comes into existence. And they do.

Not saying this is how it should be. Just how it is.

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     Srebrenica: another reason not to listen to the UN - (marlowe) - (9) - April 10, 2002, 05:18:19 PM EDT
         Look up who fought the Korean war. Hint: UN. - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - April 10, 2002, 05:31:54 PM EDT
             Not the best example, IMO - (bbronson) - (2) - April 10, 2002, 06:19:13 PM EDT
                 But the North Korean invasion was undone. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - April 10, 2002, 08:25:55 PM EDT
                     Yup. But it isn't over because nobody 'won' the war - (bbronson) - April 10, 2002, 08:59:37 PM EDT
         "Peacekeepers" don't work. - (Brandioch) - (4) - April 10, 2002, 06:45:16 PM EDT
             Of course it's about the UN. - (marlowe) - (3) - April 11, 2002, 12:48:09 PM EDT
                 You mean, like 'Liberal' & 'Conservative' n'stuff? -NT - (Ashton) - April 11, 2002, 01:28:10 PM EDT
                 Check your facts. - (Brandioch) - (1) - April 11, 2002, 02:11:30 PM EDT
                     Some facts - (Mike) - April 12, 2002, 03:59:28 PM EDT

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