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Post #35,123
by marlowe
4/11/02 12:46:20 PM
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New Just a matter of tactics?
You can't have tactics, in the sense that you speak of tactics, without pawns. And you can't use pawns if they won't do what you want.

If the Palestinians didn't have such an insane hatred that they'd be willing to kill themsleves for the privilege of killing others, then this particular tactic wouldn't be an option.

This isn't chess. Not all pawns are equal.
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Post #35,197
by 3)
4/11/02 7:27:50 PM
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New Not saying it isn't fueled by insane hatred
Just that I don't accept the premise that suicide bombing demonstrates an exceptional level of insane hatred. Insane hatred is in pretty good supply, and I'm saying that it usualy doesn't result in suicide bombing for mostly tactical reasons.

Plenty of the combatants in the CA wars (for example) went into situations where the odds of survival were far lower than the average suicide attempt.

Partly, I'm denying the bombers the respect that you give them: I say that they have not demonstrated exceptional depth of passion.
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Post #35,199
by Ashton
4/11/02 7:45:07 PM
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New Fruitful angle..
In many ways there is absence of 'passion' - it's a mercantile contract by the time of pressing the button: You do this / You get the virgins and your pic on local Tee Vee. Parents get the $25K.

Similarly.. a drug-induced euphoria may be more akin to the pre-button state (mentioned a few times by ex-wannabe bombers who fizzled). Passion however, requires that one is in possession of faculties (!) aware of the odds, afraid.. yet willing to act. *That* I believe is what we usually call 'bravery'.

Hell.. Every fanatic has that tired old courageofhisconvictions. Yawn
     What is the solution? Is Middle East Peace possible? - (brettj) - (34) - April 9, 2002, 11:55:21 PM EDT
         One pundit's answer... - (Ashton) - April 10, 2002, 02:10:51 AM EDT
         Re: Solution? - Try 'Why there will be no peace in M.E.' - (dmarker2) - (4) - April 10, 2002, 08:47:01 AM EDT
             Thanks for the insight. - (brettj) - (3) - April 10, 2002, 10:14:17 AM EDT
                 #1. Death to all fanatics! - (Brandioch) - (2) - April 10, 2002, 12:18:04 PM EDT
                     Re: kill everyone on the other side! - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - April 10, 2002, 04:35:45 PM EDT
                         I've always maintained... - (inthane-chan) - April 10, 2002, 04:43:05 PM EDT
         Yes... - (screamer) - (18) - April 10, 2002, 11:04:01 AM EDT
             Watch it! I might learn somthin from y'all. - (brettj) - (17) - April 10, 2002, 10:26:56 PM EDT
                 Idealism is a good thing... - (screamer) - (16) - April 11, 2002, 11:42:42 AM EDT
                     Re: They are not killing Palestinians indiscriminately. - (a6l6e6x) - (15) - April 11, 2002, 12:03:18 PM EDT
                         Check the Jordan Times - (boxley) - (4) - April 11, 2002, 12:21:34 PM EDT
                             I must have missed the passing of the law... - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - April 11, 2002, 01:51:30 PM EDT
                                 url - (boxley) - (2) - April 11, 2002, 02:32:54 PM EDT
                                     Yeh, "That's funny, she didn't look American.". - (a6l6e6x) - April 11, 2002, 03:26:11 PM EDT
                                     Israelis fess up on monk. - (a6l6e6x) - April 12, 2002, 01:06:09 PM EDT
                         I understand your point of view... - (screamer) - (8) - April 11, 2002, 01:42:10 PM EDT
                             Re: "I haven't heard them giving us ultimatums about how we - (a6l6e6x) - (7) - April 11, 2002, 02:32:49 PM EDT
                                 Marshall Plan? - (Ashton) - (3) - April 11, 2002, 03:22:58 PM EDT
                                     Perhaps some of the US $90 BILLION given to Israel. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - April 11, 2002, 03:28:44 PM EDT
                                         With 2/3rds of that amount going to Egypt - (boxley) - (1) - April 11, 2002, 04:07:07 PM EDT
                                             And Egypt, having a population > 10 times greater. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - April 11, 2002, 08:42:31 PM EDT
                                 terrorism is quite effective... - (ChrisR) - (2) - April 11, 2002, 04:14:14 PM EDT
                                     But Gandhi was that Exceptional person - - (Ashton) - (1) - April 11, 2002, 05:32:58 PM EDT
                                         Forgot a Gandhi quote someone printed up - - (Ashton) - April 12, 2002, 12:24:06 AM EDT
                         Disingenuous, perhaps.. - (Ashton) - April 11, 2002, 01:56:02 PM EDT
         Oh, give it a rest. - (marlowe) - (1) - April 10, 2002, 12:23:03 PM EDT
             Ah.. the irony of___ unheeded self-advice. - (Ashton) - April 10, 2002, 03:07:33 PM EDT
         Well, I never thought peace in Central America was possible - (3)) - (6) - April 11, 2002, 01:48:09 AM EDT
             Amiable chess match? - (wharris2) - (4) - April 11, 2002, 06:45:07 AM EDT
                 Well, different - (3)) - (3) - April 11, 2002, 12:11:06 PM EDT
                     Just a matter of tactics? - (marlowe) - (2) - April 11, 2002, 12:46:20 PM EDT
                         Not saying it isn't fueled by insane hatred - (3)) - (1) - April 11, 2002, 07:27:50 PM EDT
                             Fruitful angle.. - (Ashton) - April 11, 2002, 07:45:07 PM EDT
             Re: money flow. - (a6l6e6x) - April 11, 2002, 12:06:12 PM EDT

Besides, we all have spell check these days, right?
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