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Post #35,118 by 3) 4/11/02 12:11:06 PM Reply	Well, different No, suicide attacks weren't common in CA, but you don't, on the other hand, see a lot of torture in the ME and there isn't, as far as I know, an accepted language of mutilation and method of killing. The CA situation, although it wasn't well reported in the civilized world, had racial and religious elements that went back several centuries, besides the political and economic issues. Frankly, I don't see the suicide bombings as all that good an indication of depth of hatred. I think it is more a matter of tactics. In every war, there are people willing to die for the mission. Most of the time, their commanders would rather have them available for the next mission. I am not a man, I am a free number.
Post #35,123 by marlowe 4/11/02 12:46:20 PM Reply	Just a matter of tactics? You can't have tactics, in the sense that you speak of tactics, without pawns. And you can't use pawns if they won't do what you want. If the Palestinians didn't have such an insane hatred that they'd be willing to kill themsleves for the privilege of killing others, then this particular tactic wouldn't be an option. This isn't chess. Not all pawns are equal. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Truth is that which is the case. Accept no substitutes. If competence is considered "hubris" then may I and my country always be as "arrogant" as we can possibly manage.
Post #35,197 by 3) 4/11/02 7:27:50 PM Reply	Not saying it isn't fueled by insane hatred Just that I don't accept the premise that suicide bombing demonstrates an exceptional level of insane hatred. Insane hatred is in pretty good supply, and I'm saying that it usualy doesn't result in suicide bombing for mostly tactical reasons. Plenty of the combatants in the CA wars (for example) went into situations where the odds of survival were far lower than the average suicide attempt. Partly, I'm denying the bombers the respect that you give them: I say that they have not demonstrated exceptional depth of passion. I am not a man, I am a free number.
Post #35,199 by Ashton 4/11/02 7:45:07 PM Reply	Fruitful angle.. In many ways there is absence of 'passion' - it's a mercantile contract by the time of pressing the button: You do this / You get the virgins and your pic on local Tee Vee. Parents get the $25K. Similarly.. a drug-induced euphoria may be more akin to the pre-button state (mentioned a few times by ex-wannabe bombers who fizzled). Passion however, requires that one is in possession of faculties (!) aware of the odds, afraid.. yet willing to act. That I believe is what we usually call 'bravery'. Hell.. Every fanatic has that tired old courageofhisconvictions. Yawn

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