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Post #350,901 by folkert 11/19/11 1:36:37 AM Reply	You are... Full of crap. I can hit my Lancer near every time up and down with out grinding the syncs except from 2nd to 1st... Heck, if I do it right I can even get my car to go into gear without grinding from a start without using the clutch. My Bikes, easy to do with the throttle and the toe shifter.
Post #350,903 by drook 11/19/11 1:59:35 AM Reply	I"m happy for you You like clutchless shifting, and you're good at it. I don't mind using the clutch, and of all the manuals I've owned I've never had to replace a clutch. Looks like we're each happy with our own driving. -- Drew
Post #350,905 by pwhysall 11/19/11 2:21:17 AM Reply	People who change gear without using the clutch are... (a) in a tiny, tiny minority (b) inevitably still going to make some alarming grunching noises when they don't quite hit the spot; no-one's perfect
Post #350,906 by Steve Lowe 11/19/11 3:05:53 AM Reply	(c) they're driving a semi
Post #350,907 by crazy 11/19/11 6:03:10 AM Reply	Or mildly retarded Really, that's the word. My brother's best friend (neighbor 3 doors down) since he was a little kid ended up with a volkswagon beetle (in 1979). The guy is mildly retarded, which makes for great "best friend" material. Nicest guy in the world, but dumb enough to annoy constantly unless you partition out that area of your brain while talking to him. Grind it until you find it was his standard method of shifting.
Post #350,914 by folkert 11/19/11 8:25:10 AM Reply	... c) People that use the clutch inevitably still going to make some alarming grunching noises when they don't quite hit the spot; no-one's perfect
Post #350,960 by pwhysall 11/21/11 3:40:16 AM Reply	Re: ... Shrug. If I miss a gear, I dip the clutch again, no harm done other than feeling a bit daft. If you miss a gear, it's metal-to-metal contact in the gearbox. Still, if it works for you, that's cool.
Post #350,976 by folkert 11/21/11 11:05:57 AM Reply	Re: ... I haven't ground a gear not using the clutch either... it I miss a shift, it doesn't sound like you think. It sound just like when you miss a gear. There is metal to metal contact when you miss a gear as well. Especially with these modern manual transmissions. You guys are just daft.

IWECar++ - (pwhysall) - (51) - Nov. 14, 2011, 02:40:18 PM EST

I wonder ... - (drook) - (49) - Nov. 14, 2011, 02:55:52 PM EST

Re: I wonder ... - (pwhysall) - (46) - Nov. 14, 2011, 03:03:30 PM EST

Re: I wonder ... - (lincoln) - (7) - Nov. 14, 2011, 04:16:23 PM EST

Re: I wonder ... - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2011, 04:27:13 PM EST

If you're willing to do it - (lincoln) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2011, 05:24:03 PM EST

Agreed - (crazy) - Nov. 14, 2011, 05:27:17 PM EST

Re: If you're willing to do it - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2011, 07:48:15 PM EST

automatic transmission? - (rcareaga) - Nov. 15, 2011, 01:10:00 AM EST

I did for years. - (static) - Nov. 14, 2011, 06:55:38 PM EST

did it for years, unless you are in San fran its fine -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2011, 09:04:45 PM EST

Demur on 1.) - (Ashton) - (37) - Nov. 17, 2011, 03:26:58 PM EST

The climate forcings are complicated.... - (Another Scott) - Nov. 17, 2011, 07:21:41 PM EST

Re: Demur on 1.) - (pwhysall) - (35) - Nov. 18, 2011, 04:51:52 AM EST

As US mileage limits increase, trannys will get better. - (Another Scott) - (34) - Nov. 18, 2011, 07:39:55 AM EST

Re: As US mileage limits increase, trannys will get better. - (pwhysall) - (33) - Nov. 18, 2011, 07:48:37 AM EST

Some of us do. ;-) - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:11:00 AM EST

Re: Some of us do. ;-) - (pwhysall) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:23:11 AM EST

Re: Some of us do. ;-) - (pwhysall) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:28:22 AM EST

On the numbers... - (Another Scott) - (29) - Nov. 18, 2011, 10:27:38 AM EST

Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall) - (15) - Nov. 18, 2011, 10:39:48 AM EST

Clutch replacements and drivers. - (static) - Nov. 18, 2011, 06:28:30 PM EST

I'm assuming the machine can shift better than me. - (Another Scott) - (13) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:20:45 PM EST

I use the clutch for startup from being stopped only. - (folkert) - (12) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:22:29 PM EST

Bike? Car? Both? - (Another Scott) - (10) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:36:56 PM EST

Upshifting, yes; down, no - (drook) - (8) - Nov. 18, 2011, 10:25:08 PM EST

You are... - (folkert) - (7) - Nov. 19, 2011, 01:36:37 AM EST

I"m happy for you - (drook) - (6) - Nov. 19, 2011, 01:59:35 AM EST

People who change gear without using the clutch are... - (pwhysall) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2011, 02:21:17 AM EST

(c) they're driving a semi -NT - (Steve Lowe) - Nov. 19, 2011, 03:05:53 AM EST

Or mildly retarded - (crazy) - Nov. 19, 2011, 06:03:10 AM EST

... - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2011, 08:25:10 AM EST

Re: ... - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2011, 03:40:16 AM EST

Re: ... - (folkert) - Nov. 21, 2011, 11:05:57 AM EST

Well, obviously... - (folkert) - Nov. 19, 2011, 01:41:43 AM EST

yes, years ago I even offered crc to teach his kid to do it - (boxley) - Nov. 19, 2011, 07:39:59 AM EST

Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall) - (12) - Nov. 21, 2011, 03:39:00 AM EST

Nice. -NT - (Another Scott) - (10) - Nov. 21, 2011, 08:36:40 AM EST

remember that is about 38mpg US still good tho -NT - (boxley) - (9) - Nov. 21, 2011, 09:09:35 AM EST

How is 55.4 MPG == 38 MPG...? -NT - (malraux) - (6) - Nov. 21, 2011, 09:49:26 AM EST

Miles are shorter in the U.K. - (drook) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2011, 09:57:12 AM EST

No, UK gallons are larger. -NT - (static) - Nov. 21, 2011, 06:59:33 PM EST

It's not - it's 46.13 US according to this... - (crazy) - Nov. 21, 2011, 11:27:50 AM EST

they get an extra litre per gallon of gas -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 21, 2011, 05:24:41 PM EST

Re: they get an extra litre per gallon of gas - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 22, 2011, 02:39:31 AM EST

It's tiny *because* it's imported from China -NT - (drook) - Nov. 22, 2011, 05:02:50 AM EST

MPG == MILES PER GALLON... - (folkert) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2011, 11:07:46 AM EST

Re: MPG == MILES PER GALLON... - (pwhysall) - Nov. 21, 2011, 12:44:26 PM EST

Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall) - Nov. 21, 2011, 12:45:57 PM EST

Optimisn, perhaps. - (static) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2011, 03:26:37 PM EST

Much more complex than I thought - (drook) - Nov. 14, 2011, 04:03:10 PM EST

Neat. You and Ashton should swap stories. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 14, 2011, 06:10:28 PM EST

You lucky bastard!
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