Post #350,889
11/18/11 8:20:45 PM
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I'm assuming the machine can shift better than me.
Yes, it's a good point that it has 2 clutches. :-) However, if it can shift in 8 ms, then there's almost no stress on the clutch linings (compared to normal US drivers who work hard to minimize jerking even as they burn up their linings) so they should last the life of the car if it's designed properly.
But it sounds like the US tuning is different from yours - http://www.nytimes.c...ml?pagewanted=all
Oh well.
I wasn't aware of dual-mass flywheels. I guess you need to keep on the look out for vibrations at 900 and 1800 rpm. Fingers crossed.
Enjoy your new buggy!
Cheers,
Scott.
(Whose SIL just got a new Prius.)
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Post #350,892
11/18/11 8:22:29 PM
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I use the clutch for startup from being stopped only.
After that its a clutchless affair, even most downshifts.
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Post #350,894
11/18/11 8:36:56 PM
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Bike? Car? Both?
I haven't tried that myself. Some claim it's hard on the synchronizers not to use the clutch; others says there's no problem. I dunno. Presumably if you're good enough to match the RPMs without the clutch then you're good enough to put little wear on it anyway.
I dunno if I'll try it in my TDI - the turbo kicking in would make it challenging....
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #350,897
11/18/11 10:25:08 PM
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Upshifting, yes; down, no
That's on the bike, anyway. In the car, the throw on the shift lever is long enough that it's not worth it to try.
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Drew
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Post #350,901
11/19/11 1:36:37 AM
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You are...
Full of crap.
I can hit my Lancer near every time up and down with out grinding the syncs except from 2nd to 1st...
Heck, if I do it right I can even get my car to go into gear without grinding from a start without using the clutch.
My Bikes, easy to do with the throttle and the toe shifter.
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Post #350,903
11/19/11 1:59:35 AM
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I"m happy for you
You like clutchless shifting, and you're good at it. I don't mind using the clutch, and of all the manuals I've owned I've never had to replace a clutch. Looks like we're each happy with our own driving.
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Drew
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Post #350,905
11/19/11 2:21:17 AM
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People who change gear without using the clutch are...
(a) in a tiny, tiny minority
(b) inevitably still going to make some alarming grunching noises when they don't quite hit the spot; no-one's perfect
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Post #350,906
11/19/11 3:05:53 AM
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(c) they're driving a semi
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Post #350,907
11/19/11 6:03:10 AM
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Or mildly retarded
Really, that's the word.
My brother's best friend (neighbor 3 doors down) since he was a little kid ended up with a volkswagon beetle (in 1979). The guy is mildly retarded, which makes for great "best friend" material. Nicest guy in the world, but dumb enough to annoy constantly unless you partition out that area of your brain while talking to him.
Grind it until you find it was his standard method of shifting.
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Post #350,914
11/19/11 8:25:10 AM
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...
c) People that use the clutch inevitably still going to make some alarming grunching noises when they don't quite hit the spot; no-one's perfect
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Post #350,960
11/21/11 3:40:16 AM
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Re: ...
Shrug.
If I miss a gear, I dip the clutch again, no harm done other than feeling a bit daft.
If you miss a gear, it's metal-to-metal contact in the gearbox.
Still, if it works for you, that's cool.
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Post #350,976
11/21/11 11:05:57 AM
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Re: ...
I haven't ground a gear *not* using the clutch either... it I miss a shift, it doesn't sound like you think. It sound just like when you miss a gear. There is metal to metal contact when you miss a gear as well.
Especially with these modern manual transmissions.
You guys are just daft.
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Post #350,902
11/19/11 1:41:43 AM
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Well, obviously...
I've done it on all of my manual cars since I was 16.
My Dad's 1973 Pinto, my 1976 Pinto, the Nissan Sentra, Monte Carlo with a saginaw tranny, the Ford 3 on the tree, the chevy truck 454 with a Muncie, My honda Accord, My Mits Lancer.
Of course the bikes I've had and have. All without grinding the syncros.
Heck, even when I drove a delivery truck for a while, never used the clutch after a start... up or down, except to 1st.
Its not hard, it just takes finesse and timing properly... the shifter just falls into place when you do it right. I guess I just do it right.
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Post #350,910
11/19/11 7:39:59 AM
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yes, years ago I even offered crc to teach his kid to do it
some brit whiner started complaining that he wouldnt lend me his car if I visited
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