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New If you're willing to do it
then that's okay for you. I did it for a short time and hated every minute of it, not to mention the soreness of my left leg every night. When I replaced the car with a new
that had automatic, then commute became bearable.




"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from."

-- E.L. Doctorow
New Agreed
But I had my own extra joint issues.

I LOVED my Honda Accord, and enjoyed the control of the manual.

After a few solid days of agony in my left leg and my right forearm I had to get rid of it.

Traded it for a Mazda Millenia, and never looked back!
New Re: If you're willing to do it
You need to understand: just about everyone drives a manual over here, all the time, in traffic and out of it.

I don't even think about changing gear. The whole "off gas/clutch in/change gear/clutch out/on gas" thing is completely automatic. Up and down the box.

Har de har see what I did there etc.
New automatic transmission?
That's not driving—that's steering.

But halfway up a steep hill (Broadway or California) in San Francisco, waiting for the light to change, with the following car a dozen centimeters from one's rear bumper, one has been times past grateful for the technology. On level ground, though, give me a proper clutch.

cordially,
     IWECar++ - (pwhysall) - (51)
         I wonder ... - (drook) - (49)
             Re: I wonder ... - (pwhysall) - (46)
                 Re: I wonder ... - (lincoln) - (7)
                     Re: I wonder ... - (pwhysall) - (4)
                         If you're willing to do it - (lincoln) - (3)
                             Agreed - (crazy)
                             Re: If you're willing to do it - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 automatic transmission? - (rcareaga)
                     I did for years. - (static)
                     did it for years, unless you are in San fran its fine -NT - (boxley)
                 Demur on 1.) - (Ashton) - (37)
                     The climate forcings are complicated.... - (Another Scott)
                     Re: Demur on 1.) - (pwhysall) - (35)
                         As US mileage limits increase, trannys will get better. - (Another Scott) - (34)
                             Re: As US mileage limits increase, trannys will get better. - (pwhysall) - (33)
                                 Some of us do. ;-) - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                     Re: Some of us do. ;-) - (pwhysall)
                                     Re: Some of us do. ;-) - (pwhysall)
                                 On the numbers... - (Another Scott) - (29)
                                     Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall) - (15)
                                         Clutch replacements and drivers. - (static)
                                         I'm assuming the machine can shift better than me. - (Another Scott) - (13)
                                             I use the clutch for startup from being stopped only. - (folkert) - (12)
                                                 Bike? Car? Both? - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                                     Upshifting, yes; down, no - (drook) - (8)
                                                         You are... - (folkert) - (7)
                                                             I"m happy for you - (drook) - (6)
                                                                 People who change gear without using the clutch are... - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                                     (c) they're driving a semi -NT - (Steve Lowe)
                                                                     Or mildly retarded - (crazy)
                                                                     ... - (folkert) - (2)
                                                                         Re: ... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                             Re: ... - (folkert)
                                                     Well, obviously... - (folkert)
                                                 yes, years ago I even offered crc to teach his kid to do it - (boxley)
                                     Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall) - (12)
                                         Nice. -NT - (Another Scott) - (10)
                                             remember that is about 38mpg US still good tho -NT - (boxley) - (9)
                                                 How is 55.4 MPG == 38 MPG...? -NT - (malraux) - (6)
                                                     Miles are shorter in the U.K. - (drook) - (1)
                                                         No, UK gallons are larger. -NT - (static)
                                                     It's not - it's 46.13 US according to this... - (crazy)
                                                     they get an extra litre per gallon of gas -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                         Re: they get an extra litre per gallon of gas - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                             It's tiny *because* it's imported from China -NT - (drook)
                                                 MPG == MILES PER GALLON... - (folkert) - (1)
                                                     Re: MPG == MILES PER GALLON... - (pwhysall)
                                         Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall)
             Optimisn, perhaps. - (static) - (1)
                 Much more complex than I thought - (drook)
         Neat. You and Ashton should swap stories. -NT - (Another Scott)

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