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Post #350,594 by lincoln 11/14/11 4:16:23 PM Reply	Re: I wonder ... Try driving 30 - 40 km each way, 5 days a week, in stop-and-go traffic with a manual transmission. You'll blow you brains out within a week if you don't burn out the clutch first. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #350,598 by pwhysall 11/14/11 4:27:13 PM Reply	Re: I wonder ... I do a 35 mile round trip that's like that. I've been doing it for the past 5 years in a 2.8L BMW manual. Clutch is fine. Changing gear isn't hard or demanding.
Post #350,628 by lincoln 11/14/11 5:24:03 PM Reply	If you're willing to do it then that's okay for you. I did it for a short time and hated every minute of it, not to mention the soreness of my left leg every night. When I replaced the car with a new that had automatic, then commute became bearable. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #350,630 by crazy 11/14/11 5:27:17 PM Reply	Agreed But I had my own extra joint issues. I LOVED my Honda Accord, and enjoyed the control of the manual. After a few solid days of agony in my left leg and my right forearm I had to get rid of it. Traded it for a Mazda Millenia, and never looked back!
Post #350,644 by pwhysall 11/14/11 7:48:15 PM Reply	Re: If you're willing to do it You need to understand: just about everyone drives a manual over here, all the time, in traffic and out of it. I don't even think about changing gear. The whole "off gas/clutch in/change gear/clutch out/on gas" thing is completely automatic. Up and down the box. Har de har see what I did there etc.
Post #350,658 by rcareaga 11/15/11 1:10:00 AM Reply	automatic transmission? That's not driving—that's steering. But halfway up a steep hill (Broadway or California) in San Francisco, waiting for the light to change, with the following car a dozen centimeters from one's rear bumper, one has been times past grateful for the technology. On level ground, though, give me a proper clutch. cordially,
Post #350,637 by static 11/14/11 6:55:38 PM Reply	I did for years. More than a decade. Only one of my cars has ever been an automatic and it was considerably more powerful (3.8L V6) than the others (2L, 2L, 1.8L, 2L). Never had to replace a clutch, except in the last (Porsche 924) and that wasn't from my driving! Actually until fairly recently, it was fairly difficult to get a good performing automatic box on a small engine. This was not helped by buyers not knowing what to look for. I wouldn't drive an auto on an old Mini and I'd rather not have an auto on a Lancer, but I'd consider an auto on a recent small BMW or VW. Wade. Static Scribblings http://staticsan.blogspot.com/
Post #350,648 by boxley 11/14/11 9:04:45 PM Reply	did it for years, unless you are in San fran its fine Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep

IWECar++ - (pwhysall) - (51) - Nov. 14, 2011, 02:40:18 PM EST

I wonder ... - (drook) - (49) - Nov. 14, 2011, 02:55:52 PM EST

Re: I wonder ... - (pwhysall) - (46) - Nov. 14, 2011, 03:03:30 PM EST

Re: I wonder ... - (lincoln) - (7) - Nov. 14, 2011, 04:16:23 PM EST

Re: I wonder ... - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2011, 04:27:13 PM EST

If you're willing to do it - (lincoln) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2011, 05:24:03 PM EST

Agreed - (crazy) - Nov. 14, 2011, 05:27:17 PM EST

Re: If you're willing to do it - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2011, 07:48:15 PM EST

automatic transmission? - (rcareaga) - Nov. 15, 2011, 01:10:00 AM EST

I did for years. - (static) - Nov. 14, 2011, 06:55:38 PM EST

did it for years, unless you are in San fran its fine -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2011, 09:04:45 PM EST

Demur on 1.) - (Ashton) - (37) - Nov. 17, 2011, 03:26:58 PM EST

The climate forcings are complicated.... - (Another Scott) - Nov. 17, 2011, 07:21:41 PM EST

Re: Demur on 1.) - (pwhysall) - (35) - Nov. 18, 2011, 04:51:52 AM EST

As US mileage limits increase, trannys will get better. - (Another Scott) - (34) - Nov. 18, 2011, 07:39:55 AM EST

Re: As US mileage limits increase, trannys will get better. - (pwhysall) - (33) - Nov. 18, 2011, 07:48:37 AM EST

Some of us do. ;-) - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:11:00 AM EST

Re: Some of us do. ;-) - (pwhysall) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:23:11 AM EST

Re: Some of us do. ;-) - (pwhysall) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:28:22 AM EST

On the numbers... - (Another Scott) - (29) - Nov. 18, 2011, 10:27:38 AM EST

Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall) - (15) - Nov. 18, 2011, 10:39:48 AM EST

Clutch replacements and drivers. - (static) - Nov. 18, 2011, 06:28:30 PM EST

I'm assuming the machine can shift better than me. - (Another Scott) - (13) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:20:45 PM EST

I use the clutch for startup from being stopped only. - (folkert) - (12) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:22:29 PM EST

Bike? Car? Both? - (Another Scott) - (10) - Nov. 18, 2011, 08:36:56 PM EST

Upshifting, yes; down, no - (drook) - (8) - Nov. 18, 2011, 10:25:08 PM EST

You are... - (folkert) - (7) - Nov. 19, 2011, 01:36:37 AM EST

I"m happy for you - (drook) - (6) - Nov. 19, 2011, 01:59:35 AM EST

People who change gear without using the clutch are... - (pwhysall) - (5) - Nov. 19, 2011, 02:21:17 AM EST

Or mildly retarded - (crazy) - Nov. 19, 2011, 06:03:10 AM EST

... - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 19, 2011, 08:25:10 AM EST

Re: ... - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2011, 03:40:16 AM EST

Re: ... - (folkert) - Nov. 21, 2011, 11:05:57 AM EST

Well, obviously... - (folkert) - Nov. 19, 2011, 01:41:43 AM EST

yes, years ago I even offered crc to teach his kid to do it - (boxley) - Nov. 19, 2011, 07:39:59 AM EST

Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall) - (12) - Nov. 21, 2011, 03:39:00 AM EST

Nice. -NT - (Another Scott) - (10) - Nov. 21, 2011, 08:36:40 AM EST

remember that is about 38mpg US still good tho -NT - (boxley) - (9) - Nov. 21, 2011, 09:09:35 AM EST

How is 55.4 MPG == 38 MPG...? -NT - (malraux) - (6) - Nov. 21, 2011, 09:49:26 AM EST

Miles are shorter in the U.K. - (drook) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2011, 09:57:12 AM EST

No, UK gallons are larger. -NT - (static) - Nov. 21, 2011, 06:59:33 PM EST

It's not - it's 46.13 US according to this... - (crazy) - Nov. 21, 2011, 11:27:50 AM EST

they get an extra litre per gallon of gas -NT - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 21, 2011, 05:24:41 PM EST

Re: they get an extra litre per gallon of gas - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 22, 2011, 02:39:31 AM EST

It's tiny *because* it's imported from China -NT - (drook) - Nov. 22, 2011, 05:02:50 AM EST

MPG == MILES PER GALLON... - (folkert) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2011, 11:07:46 AM EST

Re: MPG == MILES PER GALLON... - (pwhysall) - Nov. 21, 2011, 12:44:26 PM EST

Re: On the numbers... - (pwhysall) - Nov. 21, 2011, 12:45:57 PM EST

Optimisn, perhaps. - (static) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2011, 03:26:37 PM EST

Much more complex than I thought - (drook) - Nov. 14, 2011, 04:03:10 PM EST

Neat. You and Ashton should swap stories. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 14, 2011, 06:10:28 PM EST

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